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Old April 25th, 2008, 10:06 AM   #21
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No, what I'm saying is no matter what you think, It ruins your image of women. And also, I don't have a Six year year old, but it still shouldn't be that available. There is no real way to check for age on the internet. I am all for (when I have kids) monitoring thier activity on the computer. The fact of the matter is that if they want to get a hold of it, they can.

And how exactly do you use porn responsibly? How do you degrade women/men and warp the view of Sex responsibly? Or maybe, how do you satisfy your selfish desires responsibly? I don't think there is any way to be responsible. The responsible thing to do would be to wait till you find a Real Girl, Marry her, and then stay true to her the rest of your life. And in this case, I have failed to be Responsible. Only through the Grace of God has my wife put up with me and worked with me to stop going to it.
If you are married then your body is no longer just yours, but also your wifes. What are you saying (non-verbally) to her when you look at porn? That she is not good enough to meet your desires and you have to go to a fake women to meet those needs. I'm sure it just makes her feel like a thousand bucks to know that. Don't tell me that you can be responsible with something as sick as porn. If you believe that, you're a fool. {/rant}

x2 i agay with everything your saying porn is only for the week that get wait and or get a real women to love them she gets paid to be there your gf/wife does not
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Old April 25th, 2008, 10:18 AM   #22
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1. I have been more and more in awe of women since a lot of porn has opened my eyes to their needs.. If it weren't for porn I may never had made those discoveries.

2. On several occasion my late wife rented porn and wanted to watch it with me.

3. I wanted MY woman to ACT like the women in the movies.
1. Wait, you think PORNO is the gateway to understand a woman's needs?

2. I would like to highlighty the phrase LATE.

3. Wait, you think porno is real enough that you want it to happen in real life? Perhaps three played into two. Fantasy is not healthy when you want it to be your reality.
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Old April 25th, 2008, 10:21 AM   #23
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1. If 5 or 6 years down the road I get married to a man and find out that when he's behind his desk at work, or on THE FAMILY computer checking out porn I would feel awful. I would feel like I'm not good enough and that i'm not attractive enough.

2. I think that sex is something private, kind of like a gift and something that ONLY the person you love should have.
1. You represent 99% of women with your statement.

2. It is, and I hope for you a man who loves and respects and sexually desires YOU.
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Old April 25th, 2008, 10:26 AM   #24
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Thankyou.
And I agree, there are tons of women that I've spoken to that feel the same way. Porn just makes us feel not good enough, not beautiful enough... And it isn't right that the one person you share the most with, you give everything for, would neglect to see your body as precious and instead rather be looking at some cheap substitute.

Now porn isn't a huge deal to most, it is getting so casual. Man society is screwed (not just with porn, but everything else...)

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Old April 25th, 2008, 10:32 AM   #25
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3. I wanted MY woman to ACT like the women in the movies.
I wouldn't want my man to ACT like the men in those movies...
They're bad actors and they're ficticious. FAKE,.
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Old April 25th, 2008, 10:39 AM   #26
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1. Wait, you think PORNO is the gateway to understand a woman's needs? I never said that. You did. However for me it sure helped me learn a lot that wasn't coming naturally (no pun intended).

2. I would like to highlighty the phrase LATE. And her death from cancer is relevant how? Making cracks about anyone's late loved ones is inappropriate. You know nothing about the woman, and she does not deserve such disrespect. You owe her an apology.

3. Wait, you think porno is real enough that you want it to happen in real life? I never said that either. You did. Some of things I saw intrigued me, and I learned that many women IN REALITY like the same things. I never would have believed that had I not finally inquired about it to women after seeing it ACTED OUT.Perhaps three played into two. Huh?!?!Fantasy is not healthy when you want it to be your reality. I think I know what you're trying to say there, but taken from the other point of view, everybody has dreams (yes, even you), and some people achieve them. That's not always good because some dreams involve harming others, but if all parties involved agree and are happy with the arrangement, what is wrong with making your dreams a reality?
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Old April 25th, 2008, 10:59 AM   #27
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I wouldn't want my man to ACT like the men in those movies...
They're bad actors and they're ficticious. FAKE,.
I agree. The acting sucks (pun intended). Please let me clarify if I may: the women in porno's behave in a manner that wouold make a man feel wanted, sexually desired, strong, important. Men enjoy that. Women enjoy feeling beautiful, wanted, needed, loved. If a man just hops on her and gets himself off and doesn't make her feel loved, it's probably even worse than if he was watching pornos (you could tell us better than any of us guys).

There are actually quite a few pornos made by women because they wanted people to see sex from their point of view. Some of them were kind of lame, and some were pretty good. Again, insight from a point of view. Whether it's from a man or a woman it's still another way to look at things.

I agree that many pornos out there are just about jumping in and doing the nasty, but there are literally thousands of them out there that are made specifically about woman getting what they want their way. I find those to be interesting to watch because, naturally, it should all be done with the one you love, but because the film is about SEX and not LOVE, I at least learn something about how to provide better SEX with the woman I LOVE.

If I want to learn to play the guitar, I watch an instructional video that covers the chords. If I want to learn to appreciate music, that movie would not help me at all, adn I would be better off watching a film that doesn't go in to detail about the structure of a specific part of the music, but rather something that covers the beauty of music itself. Same with porno. They don't claim to be movies about love, nor are love stories rated X, but it's interesting to note that for many women their favorite part of many love stories is the "love scene" (sex) which, BTW, are getting more and more graphic these days. I have many times overheard women raving about Brad Pitt naked or whatever after they've watched such movies, and imagining themselves in the placve of the female character. Why do youo think Harlequin Romances STILL sell so well? Because women imagine themselves BEING the woman in the story. Again, fantasizing.

As far as that other remark about porn being for people that can't get any.... Well pal, I hate to disappoint you, but I can and have had more than my share over the years. I have done very well in that department thank you very much.

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Old April 25th, 2008, 12:31 PM   #28
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And how exactly do you use porn responsibly?
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My wife and I use it to enhance are sex life.
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Old April 25th, 2008, 01:24 PM   #29
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Do tell... Details....
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goodbuzz, I don't have time for a full responce right now, but I want to apologize, I was considering the phrase late to mean ex, mixed up the terms in my head, totally my bad. Back later, thanks for understanding.
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Old April 25th, 2008, 01:37 PM   #31
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goodbuzz, I don't have time for a full responce right now, but I want to apologize, I was considering the phrase late to mean ex, mixed up the terms in my head, totally my bad. Back later, thanks for understanding.
Okay. Thanks for that. Forgotten. I look forward to your responses though. I can always count on you for solid rebuttal.
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Old April 25th, 2008, 04:56 PM   #32
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My wife and I use it to enhance are sex life.
Am I allowed to tease for grammatical errors?

At what point would porn usage be IRResponsible for you or her? When the kids find it? When you view it solo? When you expect her to get sprayed in the face and have sex with a donkey?
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Old April 25th, 2008, 05:08 PM   #33
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Goodbuzz, If you want to look at porn, that's fine. Most of the things you said you gained from watching it (learning what a Girl "really" wants, ETC...) Could be found out by asking. You're right in saying that most girls wouldn't admit that they want that stuff. But isn't it just more fun to try different things and find that out? I guess you could almost look at porn as a Walkthrough to a Video Game. While you finish the game, get all the points, and slay all the big monsters it just isn't as gratifing as doing it yourself. I would rather learn by practice then watching some one else in this certain situation. OH, and to your question about Gun control and such. The difference here is that you can lock up a Gun, put the ammo up high, and completely keep the kiddies from them. Even with Parental Control you can find some pretty sick stuff.


Oh, and I finally watched the Videos. I must say that Ron Jermey is quite a Cocky guy. (No pun intended) The truth is that XXXchurch does alot to help people that don't want to be involved with porn (watchers and the participants). The amount of people that they help and support is quite astounding. I think it would atest that some people don't find it so great. It Seems that Ronny boy thinks they are attacking his industry. They are just trying to be "pilgrims in an un holy land". I don't see anything wrong with them helping people become free of some of the stuff that Comes with porn. And they are just trying to get people to realize that porn could never even hold a Candle to the original purpose of sex.
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Old April 25th, 2008, 06:42 PM   #34
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No, what I'm saying is no matter what you think, It ruins your image of women. And also, I don't have a Six year year old, but it still shouldn't be that available. There is no real way to check for age on the internet. I am all for (when I have kids) monitoring thier activity on the computer. The fact of the matter is that if they want to get a hold of it, they can.

And how exactly do you use porn responsibly? How do you degrade women/men and warp the view of Sex responsibly? Or maybe, how do you satisfy your selfish desires responsibly? I don't think there is any way to be responsible. The responsible thing to do would be to wait till you find a Real Girl, Marry her, and then stay true to her the rest of your life. And in this case, I have failed to be Responsible. Only through the Grace of God has my wife put up with me and worked with me to stop going to it.
If you are married then your body is no longer just yours, but also your wifes. What are you saying (non-verbally) to her when you look at porn? That she is not good enough to meet your desires and you have to go to a fake women to meet those needs. I'm sure it just makes her feel like a thousand bucks to know that. Don't tell me that you can be responsible with something as sick as porn. If you believe that, you're a fool. {/rant}
I don't know if we've ever met, but I find it interesting that you seem to know whats going on inside my brain. You assume that just because porn ruined your image of women that it has that effect on everyone. I would appreciate it if you would refrain from projecting your weakness on me.

I did find a real girl, married her, and had every intention of staying true to her for the rest of my life. She had other ideas and left me for another man. Unlike, apparently, you, I never viewed porn while I was married. Who knows, maybe if I had taken Ron Jeremy's advise and used porn to "spice it up" I'd still be married.

I see porn and being just like any other "vise" like drinking, smoking, gambling, offroading... If you do it because you enjoy it, as a diversion to you daily life, as a temporary escape from your every day existence, in such a way that it is not harming anyone then it's fine.

If it takes control of you life to the point where it harms other aspects of you life, to where it harms you relationships, become an obsession that you feel you have no control of, something you can't stop using, then it is a problem.
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i lika the porn .... im like shaker me and my woman watch it just as a enhancer and to learn new things to keep it interesting
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Shoot, I remember sneaking it when m parents werent looking when i was like 10.lol. But I do not look at it anymore. Its Wrong.
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Quite honestly, I think it's wrong.
I think that porn really does warp the brain in some sense, and I do think it hurts relationships...I'm eighteen and a female, if 5 or 6 years down the road I get married to a man and find out that when he's behind his desk at work, or on THE FAMILY computer checking out porn I would feel awful. I would feel like I'm not good enough (especially if it was a daily thing) and that i'm not attractive enough. Maybe if he wants to jerk off to two chicks having sex he should be with them, not me.
Another thing: in the video it was brought up and recognized that women in the business get raped, hurt, and can't have children. Just because the numbers from the con side weren't large, it doesn't mean it happens often. Also, I don't think that we should just be looking at the numbers anyways. It's wrong that this is happening at all and both sides can recognize it as if it happens frequently.
As for being an actress/actor... Could they really go home to a family, with a husband or a wife and sleep with them? Could their partner really make an "INTIMATE exchange" with the person they "love" knowing that they may have done the same thing with 10 other people that day? I think that sex is something private, kind of like a gift and something that ONLY the person you love should have. Otherwise, what is your husband/wife getting that no one else gets?
I don't doubt that for at least some people it "warps their brain", but I don't know that it does for everyone. Also, as the lady in the weird hat suggested, is it really all that different than any other fiction in that respect? Doesn't all fiction give some people unrealistic expectations as to how life is supposed to be? For that matter even some of these so called "reality" shows make some people think that their lives are dull and boring. I think that someone who's susceptible to that is going to have that problem with any type of fiction.

I wouldn't blame you at all for feeling hurt if your husband was sneaking around and viewing porn every chance he got. But as was suggested in the video, it's would probably be just one sign of bigger problems in your relationship. I can't image ever choosing porn over the real thing.

Women who are in other businesses get raped,hurt, and can't have children. The people who do that type of thing are criminals. Seeing a drunk porn star in a bar may give them the idea to do it then, but that type of person would probably find any excuse to rape someone. i don't know how significant it was that she was a porn star.

As to how a porn star can have a normal intimate relationship with a significant other after having sex with other people all day I to wonder about that, but then again normal actors kiss and play "husband and wife" in non-sexual ways on the set and then go home to their spouses, maybe it's the same, just more extreme. If they say they can do it and it isn't a problem who ma I to question that.
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Hmmm, let me think about this. Pro porn or anti porn?

I like the part where the former director told about the girls throwing up and the girl getting raped.

I like the fact that they all agreed it wasn't what they would want their children to do.

I like the fact they didn't try to just pick on fettish porn that we should all be allowed to watch people getting enimas and shitting and pissing on each other as well as having sex, even with animals if need be.

I like the idea that masterbating in a girls face is in no way degrading.

Hell how could anyone in their right mind not support those things.
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I don't know if we've ever met, but I find it interesting that you seem to know whats going on inside my brain. You assume that just because porn ruined your image of women that it has that effect on everyone. I would appreciate it if you would refrain from projecting your weakness on me.

I did find a real girl, married her, and had every intention of staying true to her for the rest of my life. She had other ideas and left me for another man. Unlike, apparently, you, I never viewed porn while I was married. Who knows, maybe if I had taken Ron Jeremy's advise and used porn to "spice it up" I'd still be married.

I see porn and being just like any other "vise" like drinking, smoking, gambling, offroading... If you do it because you enjoy it, as a diversion to you daily life, as a temporary escape from your every day existence, in such a way that it is not harming anyone then it's fine.

If it takes control of you life to the point where it harms other aspects of you life, to where it harms you relationships, become an obsession that you feel you have no control of, something you can't stop using, then it is a problem.

Hey, I'm sorry if by me saying "you" it was thought I was talking to you Specifically. I have a Bad habit of using that word. I meant in general as a You. I've never met you, I don't have anything against you.

I also agree with you that it's like any other Vice. My point is that there is no actual barrier between getting a hold of it. It's litteraly a Keystroke away. With Beer, Cigarettes, ETC. there is an age limit or you have to go out and get it. With porn, it's right there. No age limits (in reality). Before the internet it was just like any other vice. You had to either sneak it from your parents or find some kind of way to have your older brother's friend buy it for you. Something like that.

The only difference is that it's Sex. All humans beings are driven by it. When boys hit puberty it's all they think of and consequently don't stop intill they die. There is nothing else like it on the planet. So in that instance, it's nothing like any other vice.

Ok, and as far as the "weakness" goes. I'll give you that. It is one of my great Weaknesses. But even if it's not one of yours, It is a serious problem with a high percentage of Men. Maybe it's because I'm a Christian and it's wrong to look at porn from my world view. Literially any time I've been in a Group of men having "Sharing time" about struggles this one comes up. Almost every guy lowers his head and shamfully agrees that they struggle with it. So needless to say, I'm 1 of many.

What has been proven in this statement is that porn does this. Go read some info on XXXchurch and you'll see that statistically this is what happens to young men. They start out of Curiosity and eventually become addicted. After a while the normal Soft core stuff doesn't do it so they move on to something more harder/preverse and then that get's old...yatta yatta yatta...you end up with these (now) men wanting to act out these horribly preverse acts on actual women because watching it doesn't do it for them any more. In an idealistic world, they should be able to control thier impulses but this thing has become to much for them to handle. It happens to sooo many men/boys.

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