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Old April 16th, 2008, 02:26 PM   #1
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I'm sorry if the is a ...I agree with Lee!!!

Remember Lee Iacocca , the man who rescued Chrysler Corporation from
it's death throes? From his book Where have all the leaders gone?

Lee Iacocca says:

'Am I the only guy in this country who's fed up with what's happening? Where the hell is our outrage? We should be screaming bloody murder. We've got a gang of clueless bozos steering our ship of state right over a cliff, we've got corporate gangsters stealing us blind, and we can't even clean up after a hurricane much less build a hybrid car. But instead of getting mad, everyone sits around and nods their heads when the politicians say, 'Stay the course.'

Stay the course? You've got to be kidding. This is America , not the damned 'Titanic.' I'll give you a sound bite: 'Throw all the bums out!'

You might think I'm getting senile, that I've gone off my rocker, and maybe I have. But someone has to speak up. I hardly recognize this country anymore.

The most famous business leaders are not the innovators but the guys
in handcuffs. While we're fiddling in Iraq , the Middle East is burning and nobody seems to know what to do. And the press is waving 'pom-poms' instead of asking hard questions. That's not the promise of the ' America ' my parents and yours traveled across the ocean for. I've had enough. How about you?

I'll go a step further. You can't call yourself a patriot if you're not outraged. This is a fight I'm ready and willing to have.

The Biggest 'C' is Crisis!

Leaders are made, not born. Leadership is forged in times of crisis. It's easy to sit there with your feet up on the desk and talk theory. Or send someone else's kids off to war when you've never seen a battlefield yourself. It's another thing to lead when your world comes tumbling down.

On September 11, 2001 , we needed a strong leader more than any other time in our history. We needed a steady hand to guide us out of the ashes. A Hell of a Mess. So here's where we stand. We're immersed in a bloody war with no plan for winning and no plan for leaving. We're running the biggest deficit in the history of the country. We're losing the manufacturing edge to Asia , while our once-great companies are getting slaughtered by health care costs. Gas prices are skyrocketing, and nobody in power has a coherent energy policy. Our schools are in
trouble. Our borders are like sieves. The middle class is being squeezed every which way. These are times that cry out for leadership.

But when you look around, you've got to ask: 'Where have all the leaders gone?' Where are the curious, creative communicators? Where are the people of character, courage, conviction, omnipotence, and common sense? I may be a sucker for alliteration, but I think you get the point.

Name me a leader who has a better idea for homeland security than making us take off our shoes in airports and throw away our shampoo? We've spent billions of dollars building a huge new bureaucracy, and all we know how to do is react to things that have already happened.

Name me one leader who emerged from the crisis of Hurricane Katrina. Congress has yet to spend a single day evaluating the response to the hurricane, or demanding accountability for the decisions that were made in the crucial hours after the storm. Everyone's hunkering down, fingers crossed, hoping it doesn't happen again. Now, that's just crazy. Storms happen. Deal with it. Make a plan. Figure out what you're going to do the next time.

Name me an industry leader who is thinking creatively about how we can
restore our competitive edge in manufacturing. Who would have believed that there could ever be a time when 'The Big Three' referred to Japanese car companies? How did this happen, and more important, what are we going to do about it?

Name me a government leader who can articulate a plan for paying down the debt, or solving the energy crisis, or managing the health care problem. The silence is deafening. But these are the crises that are eating away at our country and milking the middle class dry.

I have news for the gang in Congress. We didn't elect you to sit on your asses and do nothing and remain silent while our democracy is being hijacked and our greatness is being replaced with mediocrity. What is everybody so afraid of? That some bonehead on Fox News will call them a name? Give me a break. Why don't you guys show some spine for a change?

Had Enough?

Hey, I'm not trying to be the voice of gloom and doom here. I'm trying to light a fire. I'm speaking out because I have hope; I believe in America In my lifetime I've had the privilege of living through some of America 's greatest moments. I've also experienced some of our worst crises: the Great Depression, World War II, the Korean War, the Kennedy Assassination, the Vietnam War, the 1970s oil crisis, and the struggles of recent years culminating with 9/11. If I've learned one thing, it's this:

You don't get anywhere by standing on the sidelines waiting for somebody else to take action. Whether it's building a better car or building a better future for our children, we all have a role to play. That's the challenge I'm raising in this book. It's a call to action for people who, like me, believe in America . It's not too late, but it's getting pretty close. So let's shake off the crap and go to work.
Let's tell 'em all we've had 'enough.
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Old April 16th, 2008, 02:27 PM   #2
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Old April 16th, 2008, 02:39 PM   #3
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Where are guys like him in politics?
Where are the MEN like him in business?
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Old April 16th, 2008, 02:43 PM   #4
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Where are guys like him in politics?
Where are the MEN like him in business?
I heard a saying the other day.
Anybody who is smart enough to run the country is smart enough not to run.
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Old April 16th, 2008, 03:37 PM   #5
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Anybody who is smart enough to run the country is smart enough not to run.
Haha how true. I've heard that saying many times.

Think about it, the best people aren't in politics, there out in the business world making tons of money. Just look at this election. Nobody worth getting excited about.
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Old April 16th, 2008, 03:40 PM   #6
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Old April 16th, 2008, 08:26 PM   #8
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Remember he was one of the main people to push NAFTA when it was first getting legs. That dissappointed me at the time.
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Old April 17th, 2008, 06:14 AM   #9
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Old April 17th, 2008, 09:20 AM   #10
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Remember he was one of the main people to push NAFTA when it was first getting legs. That dissappointed me at the time.
What's funny is that I'm pretty sure in his book that was out in the past year, he slams NAFTA.
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http://www.barackobama.com/index.php

He DOES spell out clear and coherent plans, but no one bothers to read. Go on. Give it a try. Don't be afraid.

Remeber, he doesn't accept ANY campaign contributions from special interest lobbyists. Not oil, not insurance, etc.

Check him out before you talk trash about him.
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Remeber, he doesn't accept ANY campaign contributions from special interest lobbyists. Not oil, not insurance, etc.
What this has to do with Lee, I have no idea, however I hope you know that this is a complete misrepresentation of the facts.

Accepting contributions from oil companies is illegal. Accepting money from people who are the executives of oil companies is NOT illegal. Guess who has accepted hundreds of thousands of dollars from those executives?

That's right Barack Obama.

You have to listen very carefully to how he word's his ads to realize that he isn't out right lying but he is being very misleading. Typical politician.

A 5 second google search reveals the facts....

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...oil_spill.html

Don't drink the kool-aid.
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What this has to do with Lee, I have no idea, Try actually reading the excerpt and see what Lee is asking, then you'll know. however I hope you know that this is a complete misrepresentation of the facts. Huge stretch there, but I covered that in another thread where I responded to you in detail on this subject.

Accepting contributions from oil companies is illegal. Accepting money from people who are the executives of oil companies is NOT illegal. Guess who has accepted hundreds of thousands of dollars from those executives? [COLOR="red"]You are way overstating the bundled amounts. It's not even $100k. But whatever.COLOR]

That's right Barack Obama.

You have to listen very carefully to how he word's his ads to realize that he isn't out right lying but he is being very misleading. Typical politician.

A 5 second google search reveals the facts.... Is that all the time you have spent researching this subject? Just curious.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...oil_spill.html

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Please.... "the Kool-aid."... You think I'm some sort of that buys in to the sound-bites? So please, share with us your learned and well researched views on the loyalties of the various candidates and who you think would best represent the people of this country. Please. I'm all ears.
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Please.... "the Kool-aid."... You think I'm some sort of that buys in to the sound-bites? So please, share with us your learned and well researched views on the loyalties of the various candidates and who you think would best represent the people of this country. Please. I'm all ears.
I wasn't trying to insult you, but it's my opinion that you must be a kool-aid drinking if you like Obama, he has no substance as a leader. He is hot air in a nice suit.

To answer your question, no I spend probably to an hour a day keeping up with politics, I have been for many years now. Knowing who I am voting for is important to me.

So casting aside your attempts to minimize the validity of my opinion, here it is, since you asked....

None of them represent the people. They are all loyal only to more government(meaning more power). All of them.

Obama is, in the opinion of many including myself, the worst, most liberal, big government candidate running. That's saying a lot considering Clinton and McCain are his competition. His answer to every problem facing the nation is more government and/or redistribution of wealth. I don't have one good thing to say about the man.

Why don't you tell us all what is that makes you want to vote for him? Assuming from your professed love for the man, that he is your candidate, of course.

Now I am all ears!
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Name me a leader who has a better idea for homeland security than making us take off our shoes in airports and throw away our shampoo? We've spent billions of dollars building a huge new bureaucracy, and all we know how to do is react to things that have already happened.
So we should react to things before they happen? Maybe the government should hire Sylvia Brown. :miff:

What a douchebag. I can't believe any intelligent person would side with this moron.

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So we should react to things before they happen? Maybe the government should hire Sylvia Brown. :miff:

What a douchebag. I can't believe any intelligent person would side with this moron.



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Nah. But we can be proactive and have things in place to immediately react and couteract the effects of things when they happen.
Maybe we should have reacted the first time Americans were killed on American soil, at the hands of terroists. Remember when the truckload of explosives blew up in the basement of the WTC?

I think we should praise our current president for having the balls to react post attacks, unlike the pussies of the past who were too afraid to go against popular opinion. It's a shame how we think they did the right thing by ignoring the issue so they could get reelected.

I like how W decided it's more important to protect our country than worry about what the polls are gonna say about him. How many Americans have been killed by terrorists in America since 9/11?
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Maybe we should have reacted the first time Americans were killed on American soil, at the hands of terroists. Remember when the truckload of explosives blew up in the basement of the WTC?

I think we should praise our current president for having the balls to react post attacks, unlike the pussies of the past who were too afraid to go against popular opinion. It's a shame how we think they did the right thing by ignoring the issue so they could get reelected.

I like how W decided it's more important to protect our country than worry about what the polls are gonna say about him. How many Americans have been killed by terrorists in America since 9/11?
First of all, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. W even admitted that in a press conference.

Second, Iraq was not a threat to our country, so we didn't need to be protected from Iraq.

Third, W and Condi were warned of impending jetliner attacks by Osama and said they couldn't be bothered with it.

Fourth, 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudis.

Fifth, Osama Bin Laden (also a Saudi Arab, just like the royal family to whom he is related) is still running around free, and he claimed responsiblity for the attacks. When W was asked in a press conference "What about Osama Bin Laden?", he said "So I don't know where he is. You know, I just don't spend that much time on him, Kelly, to be honest with you.".

Sixth, Iraq had no WMD's. W even made a joke about it later (remember his "Well there's no weapons there.... Maybe under here?" and the audience laughed....).

Insofar as "popular opinion", we live in a democratic republic. We elect representatives, not leaders. Read the Constitution. It doesn't mention leaders. It specifies representatives. They are there to represent and carry out "popular opinion".

And for your final question, how many Americanss were killed by foreign terrorists BEFORE 9/11? Fewer than ON 9/11, and Bush was WARNED of the attacks. At least on the first WTC attacks there was no warning.

I respect your patriotism and respect for our president, but would you have that same respect for any president, even if their decisions were as bad as several of W's?, or do you just favor W?
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So we should react to things before they happen? Maybe the government should hire Sylvia Brown. :miff:

What a douchebag. I can't believe any intelligent person would side with this moron.



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