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Old April 11th, 2008, 12:12 AM   #1
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Going doorless in an XJ. Legal?

I heard it was legal to go door less but you have to have mirrors. So the back ones are good to take off then I'm assuming in Michigan? I'm going to have to find some mirror mounts or something.
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Old April 11th, 2008, 12:14 AM   #2
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ask ddeadserious. he drove around with no doors for awhile IIRC
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Old April 11th, 2008, 12:23 AM   #3
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i got thumps up from a few po po's on the highway with my tube doors, and only had a rear veiw mirror.
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Old April 11th, 2008, 12:24 AM   #4
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but the law is have to have a driverside mirror if vechical came with one,
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Old April 11th, 2008, 12:32 AM   #5
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I don't think it would change for XJ's, other then a cop doesn't see it that way. The law says...
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October 1997
Mirrors Outside rear view mirror on driver's side, properly adjusted.
Outside rear view mirror on each side if view through rear
window obscured.
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So if you have a drivers side mirror you are set.
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Old April 11th, 2008, 12:34 AM   #6
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I drove around for ~4 months last year with no doors.

I was pulled over once for something unrelated, and the first thing he said when he walked up was "so uh... where are your doors?" to which I responded"um... they're in my garage....sir" and he just said ok, and ended up giving me a ticket for what he pulled me over for.

There's no law stating you you have to have doors on the vehicle, but there much be two rear facing mirrors, one of which needs to be on the drivers side of the vehicle.

Here was my solution: http://www.greatlakes4x4.com/showpos...5&postcount=56
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Old April 11th, 2008, 12:42 AM   #7
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I just found this.... looks like an awesome budget project. The only thing I have to wait for now is the weather to warm up a bit :D

http://www.4x4xplor.com/doorless-mirror.html
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Old April 11th, 2008, 01:02 AM   #8
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or can try this...http://users.ucom.net/~werwe/door.html
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Old April 11th, 2008, 01:09 AM   #9
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too much work :tonka:
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Old April 11th, 2008, 01:19 AM   #10
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ok then get some of these...http://www.rjroffroad.com/tube-half-...oad-c-369.html

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=434413
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Old April 11th, 2008, 01:26 AM   #11
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here how I ran with my tube doors...

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Old April 11th, 2008, 06:48 AM   #12
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I ran without doors on my blazer for a while 5-6 years ago. Never got hassled for that.. it was usually just the size and sound of the thing that I got hassled for... I didn't drive it on the road much.
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Old April 11th, 2008, 06:53 AM   #13
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I'm not looking it up, but I believe you have a certain height sill, between the door opening and the floor to go doorless. I could be totally wrong, and the chances of getting a ticket for that would be somewhere between zero and none as long as you had an outside rearview mirror (that's the more common law).
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Old April 11th, 2008, 07:58 AM   #14
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Imagine how dumb my WJ would look without doors.... :)
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Old April 11th, 2008, 12:01 PM   #15
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There's no law stating you you have to have doors on the vehicle.

It doesn't specifically mention doors, but paragraph 1 of Section 257.683 is the one they can get you with, claiming Officer's Discretion if they were designed to be permanently mounted by the manufacturer - and especially if you happen to have your seatbelt off.



Here's the full Equipment index:

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(4cy...9-VI-EQUIPMENT
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Old April 11th, 2008, 12:06 PM   #16
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Old April 11th, 2008, 12:16 PM   #17
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I just found this.... looks like an awesome budget project. The only thing I have to wait for now is the weather to warm up a bit :D

http://www.4x4xplor.com/doorless-mirror.html
Cheap but looks decent.
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Old April 11th, 2008, 12:18 PM   #18
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It doesn't specifically mention doors, but paragraph 1 of Section 257.683 is the one they can get you with, claiming Officer's Discretion if they were designed to be permanently mounted by the manufacturer - and especially if you happen to have your seatbelt off.



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If they were designed to be permanently mounted, then they wouldn't be so easy to take off and replace.
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Old April 11th, 2008, 12:21 PM   #19
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Now that is a functional door, built in cup holder.
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Old April 11th, 2008, 12:37 PM   #20
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If they were designed to be permanently mounted, then they wouldn't be so easy to take off and replace.
XJ doors are not "easy to take off and replace". You can't just unbolt and walk away with them like on pretty much any SWB. They have wiring and stops that also need to be addressed the first time you do it. Those are a permanently mounted design.

After you take the time to do it once, then its easy.
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