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Old April 9th, 2008, 08:45 AM   #1
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Can anyone make a couple welds on 1/4" steel for me?

Can anyone close to me (48316) weld three pieces of 1/4" steel together for me? I have a small MIG, but can't do anything over 3/16" with any confidence. I'm making a patch / spring hanger support for my frame to get me by until I can clean up my replacement frame. I need 3 pieces: 2 - 8 1/2" x 3" and 1- 2 3/4 x 3". All 1/4" thick. If you have the steell and can also make the welds, cool! It will save me a trip. If not, I can buy the steel and let you make the welds. Lemme know what it would cost either way.

I attached a sketch of what I need.

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Old April 9th, 2008, 08:49 AM   #2
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i use a lincoln 110 mig and welded 1/4" no problem. Just don't run gas. I used .035" wire to get more heat. Set the head up, wire speed slow and take your time.
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Old April 9th, 2008, 10:24 AM   #3
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Max out the amperage and check penetration on some scrap 1/4...fine tune the wire speed as best you can and let her rip..
You never know until you try!!!
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Old April 9th, 2008, 10:28 AM   #4
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i use a lincoln 110 mig and welded 1/4" no problem. Just don't run gas. I used .035" wire to get more heat. Set the head up, wire speed slow and take your time.
Why on earth would you NOT run gas??
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Old April 9th, 2008, 10:34 AM   #5
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with gas the thickness of metal you can weld goes down because the gas cools the metal down.

also you could weld both sides of the plate
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Old April 9th, 2008, 10:38 AM   #6
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with gas the thickness of metal you can weld goes down because the gas cools the metal down.

also you could weld both sides of the plate
Correct, but you do realize that the gas is a very important component when mig welding, right???
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Old April 9th, 2008, 10:49 AM   #7
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Correct, but you do realize that the gas is a very important component when mig welding, right???
plato is using innersheild or flux cored wire. no gas needed.
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Old April 9th, 2008, 10:59 AM   #8
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I'd say do it yourself, if you don't feel comfortable with a single pass, preheat the metal, and do a double or triple pass and weld inside and out.

Like said above, you could use .35 gasless flux core wire and it'll burn hotter and get better penetration.

But... if you want to assemble and tack it all and drop it off to me, I can weld it up for you at school.
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Old April 9th, 2008, 11:40 AM   #9
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plato is using innersheild or flux cored wire. no gas needed.
That's what I'm using, flux core wire.

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But... if you want to assemble and tack it all and drop it off to me, I can weld it up for you at school.
Cool. Thanks for the offer. I'm going to buy some practice stock at the same time so I will give it a try by turning up the amps and practicing on a few pieces. Hopefully looks a little better than a chunk of cauliflower!
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Old April 9th, 2008, 11:44 AM   #10
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Correct, but you do realize that the gas is a very important component when mig welding, right???
Flux Core, chief.

It runs hotter than any of the shield gasses.

Its also a hell of a lot better if you are welding outside, or on any dirty or rusted base metal........not that anyone in this hobby would do that.


For 7 years I've been saying I'll grab a bottle for my welder, but I never have.
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Old April 9th, 2008, 11:52 AM   #11
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if you were really concerned about it you could step up to .045 flux core on a 110 machine and would be fine. .035 would be fine as well.
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Old April 9th, 2008, 12:13 PM   #12
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if anyone thinks that you can actually produce a 1/2 way acceptable weld without any sort of shielding gas then you need to grab a welder for the first time and turn the gas off.

I am 20-30 minutes north of you, if you want I can weld it for you. otherwise there is enough info in this thread for you to make a good weld with some patients behind the bead.

with the thicker metal you want a nice gap to fill and make a wider sweep path than normal, this will put more heat into the weld and get you more penetration for the metal that is "too thick" for the machine
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Old April 9th, 2008, 12:17 PM   #13
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if anyone thinks that you can actually produce a 1/2 way acceptable weld without any sort of shielding gas then you need to grab a welder for the first time and turn the gas off.
Hence the Flux Core comments
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Old April 9th, 2008, 12:21 PM   #14
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Hence the Flux Core comments
have you ever welded?

edit, I saw you turning onto adams yesterday, I flipped you off but you were too busy looking at traffic so....
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Old April 9th, 2008, 12:24 PM   #15
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have you ever welded?
Yes.


and i have papers to prove it


i've welded with Gas and Flux core, and you can do okay with Flux core


Mainly i use these sticks, and i can't figure out how to get gas to shield the weld area for me.....



BTw: Where at on Adams?
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Old April 9th, 2008, 12:39 PM   #16
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Old April 9th, 2008, 12:47 PM   #17
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Thanks for the offer 95Geo and Ddead. I'm going to burn some metal tonight and see how it goes....
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Old April 9th, 2008, 01:23 PM   #18
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1/4" thick is thicker than needed for that, anyway. I wouldn't have any reservations doing it with a 110v welder and flux core wire. Weld the interior seam if you are really worried about it.
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Old April 9th, 2008, 02:22 PM   #19
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Flux Core, chief.

It runs hotter than any of the shield gasses.

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Because that was implied, chief (or should it be jesus??:tonka:)

I know exactly what flux core is, and I now exactly what its capable of and why its used.....but there are various grades of FCAW wire that require shielding gas as well.....


Again, since the majority of people mean GMAW - which needs shielding gas, I simply assumed thats what they were talking about
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Old April 9th, 2008, 02:34 PM   #20
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I can tig it all, but you are going to have to get it to me.

Screw all those guys with mig, flux core, and gas
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