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Old April 7th, 2008, 09:46 PM   #1
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Recently in fenton there was an extremely tragic accident with a 7 yr old boy who crashed on his 50 cc motorcycle and passed away. Handle bar broke a rib and caused internal bleeding. He was wearing riding glove, helmut, chest protector and boots.

This gets you to thinking, where do you as a parent draw the line?

Do you lock the kid up until he is 18?

Do you let him fall down and get hurt?

My philosophy was to sheild him from very little and teach him right from wrong meanwhile trying to be a good parent and keeping him safe. I never child proofed my house, I never used baby gates, etc. He never fell down the stairs, hasn't burned himself on the stove, is in the garage often while we wrench and knows to stay out of the way, etc.

He did slip and fall and brake his femur this past winter as some might remember, but that was a freak accident where he was walking.

When did you start taking your kids wheeling? Obviously you have to be careful with them in the car, you have to have them get out at times etc.

Xander's been 75mph in my boat, calm water, in my lap, situation where I feel he is perfectly safe. When it gets rough I clearly slow down, but I use my own judgement as to how fast to go.

How old would you allow your kid to ride a motorcycle? shoot a gun? etc.

The main reason I ask is I see pussified americans ranting and raving that this boy was too young and the father was being irrisponsible to allow the boy to ride a motor cycle at age 7.
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Old April 7th, 2008, 09:54 PM   #2
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as far as the gun... if you shoot with him and help him brace it you could start preaty young, bb gun bout 5 yrs, .22 at about 10 or earlier or later depends on the kids respect for the guns. motorcycle I wouldn't know but bike as soon as he can ride....
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as far as the gun... if you shoot with him and help him brace it you could start preaty young, bb gun bout 5 yrs, .22 at about 10 or earlier or later depends on the kids respect for the guns. motorcycle I wouldn't know but bike as soon as he can ride....
Just to be sure, I'm not asking for my own good, I'm just curious how others feel.

My style is definately to teach him right from wrong and sheild him from very little.
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I grew up riding motorcycles since I was 5, that was a freak accident and it is very sad! The parents had all the protective gear for the child and I see nothing wrong with letting your kids be kids. I think parents are waaaayyyyyyyyy too over protective these day's! They don't let kids go outside and play just sit them in front of the tv or give them a video game! It's good to see that parents are taking the time to go outside and ride motorcycles with their kids, much better then the tv IMO! I also had a bb gun when I was young, 5 or 6 somewhere in there but it was kept in my dad's control and I could only us it when he was around. When I was 11 is when I got my very own first rifle, a 30-30 Winchester model 94 lever action! Although I have shot my dad's .22 many times before then. It all has to do with parenting, you can't just give a kid a motorcycle or gun and expect them to know what to do with it.

I see nothing wrong with a 7 year old riding a motorcycle or doing anything else you mentioned, I'm sure that this kid was having a blast until the wipeout! I know I always had/have a blast when riding and if your gonna go why not go doing something you love?! 7 is too young to die, but he was well protected and it was a freak accident, the same thing could have happened riding a bicycle! It could happen to you or I just as fast!
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There is a problem out there with people turning their kids into sissies by shielding them from anything that may possibly be dangerous. Most of the people on this site didn't wear a helmet when they rode their bike growing up. We also climbed trees, took our bikes off of sweet jumps, played jarts and did all other sorts of things like that.

The boy wasn't too young. It was a freak accident, and unfortunately things like that happen. You have to let kids be kids.

I remember swinging an extension cord around, and the end hit me in the nuts. I fell and puked. I don't swing stuff anymore, so I learned a lesson.

The generation coming up is going to be the biggest bunch of pussies in the history of the world. Some of the parents out there make me sick. Completely misguided because they feel their parents did a shitty job raising them, when in reality they probably did just fine.

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Chad you have a lot of good question here. Like myself live life like it's my last day because you never know. I tried to teach my kids right from wrong. Like you I let my son be around me while doing the things I love to do, like wheeling, riding on my Harley, snowmobiling, boating. The rule was with me if they can walk and hold up a helmet on their head, lets go! My son was 5 days old and boating on White lake with me. My sons first bike was a PW80 and he was 5 years old and like you said he did have the helmet, chest protecter, boots, and gloves but he still hit a tree that knock the wind out of him. Kids will be kids and I think if you shelter them they just do it behind your back sometime with their friends. My son lost his best friend a few years back at Alpine snowboarding and it made me think about what your saying cause he was like my step-son.
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my 5 year old daughter wrenches with my on the jeep. she likes to learn and try stuff. I find stuff that she can do. loosen bolts, I have helped her drill out rivets and last weekend helped her remove lug nuts with the impact. she has safety goggles and must obey the rules. I see nothing wrong with it. how else are they going to learn? that incident was unfortunate. there is nothing wrong keeping them safe but you have to let them experience things too.
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I remember swinging an extension cord around, and the end hit me in the nuts. I fell and puked. I don't swing stuff anymore, so I learned a lesson. -
That hurt me to read

And you kinda proved my point if its hotand you touch it I bet you wont touch it again.

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I tried to teach my kids right from wrong. Like you I let my son be around me while doing the things I love to do, like wheeling, riding on my Harley, snowmobiling, boating.


Kids will be kids and I think if you shelter them they just do it behind your back sometime with their friends. .
That's another thing, I would rather teach my son right from wrong when I am with him, and allow him to do fun things so he doesn't do as MANY stupid things when I am not around. I am not naive enough to think he won't try to pull some stuff at some point.
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I am not a parent, but I was raised quite well and I learned to do things at a progressive rate. I was well cared for, but had to buy all of my current toys, not much was contributed by the family and I think that is the way to go, no one will ever learn the value of a buck if it is given to them everytime they ask for one.
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The generation coming up is going to be the biggest bunch of pussies in the history of the world. Some of the parents out there make me sick. Completely misguided because they feel their parents did a shitty job raising them, when in reality they probably did just fine.
Truth.

I was born to baby boomers, so they are the old school of parenting. And I know I am a better person for it too. I fell off my bike and scraped my knees, I got my butt spanked when I miss behaved, and my summers were spent outside, not watching tv. I have a hard time relating to alot of people in my same age group because of this. My parents were around to protect me, not watch over every move and decision I made.

I find alot of the parents I see coddle their children a little too much. I am not a parent myself, so I have no place to judge, but I know it will have a big impact on my future, so I just can't wait to see what I have to deal with. Since I thinks it starting to get bad now, I just know it's going to be fun.
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Kids will be kids, and it is sad, but some won't make it to adults. This kids parents took all the safety precautions and let the kid live. You can't duct tape them and put a helmet on them and sit them on the couch. Teach them the dangers of the sport, give them the safety equipment, and teach them to respect the activity. My kid is 6, he has ridden four wheelers, snowmobiles, and now we are looking for a dirt bike for him. His sister 4 wanted a snow mobile this year, and we made her wait. She is small for her age and we didn't feel it was safe for her yet. It is all individual, I don't think you can put an age or a yes/no on activities. What is safe-ish for my kid, might not be ok for yours or vice-versa.

A side note. My kid can now do 55 push ups in near perfect form. We started that because the time outs, spankings and taking toys away from him was losing effect. Push ups don't lose effect, just increase the number.

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It really depends on the kid IMO. As a good parent you should know their strong areas and weak areas. If your kid is a clutz would you let him ride a motorcycle so early if they didn't show good riding ability and balance? That's the trick really is knowing as a parent when your kid is ready to do something.
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That's another thing, I would rather teach my son right from wrong when I am with him, and allow him to do fun things so he doesn't do as MANY stupid things when I am not around. I am not naive enough to think he won't try to pull some stuff at some point.
I'm a assistant scoutmaster in my old boy scout troop :chiefwoohaw: :chiefwoohaw: this is the age when kids start trying drugs, start driving,.... from my experience it seems that the kids who were not able to learn for themselves (those with over pertective parents) are more apt to be the ones that are getting busted or unable to react in many situations, like getting lost... they break down and don't know how to react.

cliffnotes: let your kid figure out that the slip and slide doesn't work as good on gravel
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"you wana jam a penny in the light socket ? go for it " ZAAAAAAP "Bet you dont do that again.."
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once is enough for that!
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The main reason I ask is I see pussified americans ranting and raving that this boy was too young and the father was being irrisponsible to allow the boy to ride a motor cycle at age 7.
Some people find a way to justify and place blame for everything that happens in life instead of just accepting the way things are. It's an unfortunate situation, but accidents happen and not everyone will make to be old and gray, that's just life.
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I have no idea how many times I came home with bloody elbows and knees, I grew up on (and still live on) a gravel road, used to wipe out all the time. Apparently it takes me a few times to learn :tonka: I just remember that my dad used to tell me to watch out for the loose gravel, and then the hydrogen peroxide came out.


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We also climbed trees, took our bikes off of sweet jumps, played jarts and did all other sorts of things like that.
I also wiped out while trying sweet jumps


When I was 12, my best friend (he was 15, grew up down the road from me) was killed on a fourwheeler. I had a threewheeler and a small fourwheeler before he was killed, and not too long after my dad got a new one. Rather than not let me ride it, he taught me how to ride it.
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"you wana jam a penny in the light socket ? go for it " ZAAAAAAP "Bet you dont do that again.."
Reminds me of the Simpsons episode where they want to baby-proof the house for Maggie.

Homer draws a bunny on the outlet....
Marge: Maggie's not afraid of bunnies.
Homer: She will be!
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The tragic event that took place at Fenton Indoor Motox is sad indeed. The part that hit me hard was the fact that it took them so long to get him to the hospital due to an ambulance having mechanical issues...

I am not a parent, but I will encourage my kids to ride if they like it.
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