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Old April 7th, 2008, 12:34 PM   #61
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And other service industries such as electrician, plumber, etc.
Anything that services the people is a good choice...hard to outsource that!!

I'm going to school at Ferris for HVAC/R...nearly 100% placement out of our program...i already found a job and i hve one more year left.
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Old April 7th, 2008, 12:41 PM   #62
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I don't give a f what you are interested in. Pick a major that will score you a 6 figure plus salary. Always look at the bottom line. You will love it afterwards.
IMO, best advice yet. A lot of people go to school to get their dream degree & then can't find a job, can't find a job that pays well, they end up in dead end job or they get bored after 10 or 15 years. As Immortal said, look at the bottom line, which is............. you go to work to make money to feed your family and pay for your lifestyle. So many people lose sight of this. You have to ask yourself, if I do this, where will I be in 15 years and what are those people making now?

Most people I know who are doing "what they wanted to do" are in low paying jobs. There are exceptions. But unless you are very idealistic and want to live humbly, your dream job may lock you into lower middle class. Not dragging religion into it but a priest is a good example.

From my perspective, don't pigeon hole yourself into something that will not allow you to move on. Many times people get a MS in something only to find that it means that there are only a couple potential employers in their chosen place to live. What happens then? Supply and demand. You end up not being worth as much.

To answer your question, I started out in a shop as a broom pusher, got into an apprenticement, moved to the front office & got into the engineering group. Started doing technical sales assistance & working with customers. This progression from shop to engineering to business moved me into a general managers position. Now I have about 80 people working for me at a company that supplies heavy equipment to the steel mills world wide. If anyone had asked me 30 years ago if I would make a living building giant chain, I would have laughed at them.

Look for the dollars.
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Old April 7th, 2008, 12:49 PM   #63
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when did she receive her degree. bachelors? if she falls under the category of those flood of graphic designer graduates (98 and after) when all the programs changed to teaching whatever is on your computer screen is all that matters this is most likely the reason for low in field pay or no job. for designers there is a separation line. those who are older and understand and use the principals of offset lithography. even when I was running strictly design groups if you didn't design with end production process in mind you were out of a job. there is more to the field than your 2d computer screen. they really cut out the production end of the degrees and hurt all those that followed. nowadays I can have 10 out of 10 applicants that want me to pay them $20 hour yet cannot tell me what a tint reduction trap is. I don't really even bother calling new grads for interviews cause I know they can't cut it on what they know and have a hard time emotionally with a tight deadline schedule and last minute overtime.

over the years as company's began to scale back on their ad

vertising and print costs things have become much tighter. agencies cannot charge what they used to and they began to downsize and streamline their departments. many good colleagues of mine found themselves out of work in the cold as a result. also this brought on the big pay drop for those who were riding the wave of unchecked corporate spending.

it's an ever evolving position and most of those looking to graphic design only want to sit at a computer and do nothing else. Years ago this business was very predictable. now it's day to day or week to week. no longer do the schools teach how to manipulate the clientele when it comes to design and 96% of the kids looking for jobs are too smart-mouthed to shut up, listen and learn.

it has become hard to break into the field now. I don't look at any resume with less than 5 years experience as it is not worth the headache to try and teach someone who doesn't want to learn, really doesn't want to work, and only wants time off and a paycheck.
I have no idea what most of that means, so I'm just gonna sit back, smile, and nod like I have a clue.....

Honestly, I have no idea why she chose graphic design, but it's all good. She's making $35K a year as a dog groomer, which isn't too bad for this area.
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Look for the dollars.
in my opinion worst advice ever.

one of my aforementioned brothers hate, despised, and loathed his former job in the automotive industry. he quit, flirted with bankruptcy after trying to make a go in Thousand Oaks California, and is now very content making as much, if not more in Denver in a field completely unrelated to the automotive sector, or his degree for that matter.

this life is too short, and whether one believes in any religion, afterlife, etc. it is still too short to attempt to live for the almighty dollar, knowing that you can't take them with you, and that you never, ever know when your last breath will be taken.

am I advising becoming an "artist" just to live off hand-outs? no.

however, ignoring every factor other than dollar signs is a sure fire way to find yourself miserable.

having a ton of spare money is worthless if you can't spend/enjoy it. hell, if you want a lot of money, you could probably do that delivering pizza in iraq to haliburton employee's...
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additionally many of those "resource management" jobs are government jobs. government employees tend to stay put for a long time. said jobs also are often the first to get downsized in favor of "critical services" when government budgets are cut.

the GIS type jobs that practically require a Dual Masters with the BLM based upon the experience/quals they seek start out making some 40% less than I currently do working for a local township... (or at least that's what I was finding last year when I was heavily looking for work)
i have to go threw gis its part of my degree and yes they are mostly goverment jobs which blows money sucks but they pay me to walk in the woods and get my truck dirty beside tech scince the forestry major was offerd has had nearly 98 percent of there students employed after graduating as well as michigan being one of the top ten lumber producers in the country also all the busness that deal with construction oil gas u name it employ foresters job out look is very good and if u do the job well you wont become stagnet in your job out look their is no way u can out source us because we are the ones who show people how to jump threw the enviormental policy loops
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look for the $$$$...listen to no one
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I went to OU for 2 years with a business major, and it just wasn't what i wanted to do for a living. I start next week at Hobart Institute of welding technology in troy Ohio for their 36 week combination Structural and pipe welding program. I already have a job lined up for when i graduate in December.
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Old April 7th, 2008, 01:31 PM   #69
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and is now very content making as much, if not more in Denver in a field completely unrelated to the automotive sector, or his degree for that matter.
There you go, my point exactly. He is making as much or more doing something that is unrelated to his degree. If he was making half as much, would he be just as happy? I doubt it.

Part of looking for the dollars is being able to plan how to spend it. Working 80 hours per week is not my idea of making the almighty dollar. Working a comfortable amount per week (35-45) and being able to enjoy it is what I mean. I would rather work 40 hours making lots of money and having time to spend it rather than working 80 hours being a civil servant.

That's just me...........
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There you go, my point exactly. He is making as much or more doing something that is unrelated to his degree. If he was making half as much, would he be just as happy? I doubt it.

Part of looking for the dollars is being able to plan how to spend it. Working 80 hours per week is not my idea of making the almighty dollar. Working a comfortable amount per week (35-45) and being able to enjoy it is what I mean. I would rather work 40 hours making lots of money and having time to spend it rather than working 80 hours being a civil servant.

That's just me...........
how many civil servants do you know that work 80 hours?

as for my brother, his current pay rate is a direct result of how well he worked at a job he enjoyed, and putting in some extra effort doing so. He has a dozen or so direct reports now, and even with having the whole management issues, loves his work now more than he ever could have.

it was my impression from your earlier post that money was the all important factor in deciding what to do. it most certainly is not once you go much beyond reaching a comfortable living wage. That of course will vary from person to person, and the lifestyle one is accustomed to.

my father inlaw is an excellent illustration. he is a miserable multi-millionaire, and with few exceptions there is little he couldn't go out and obtain given the proper motivation.

he worked his butt off to get that way, often working in manhattan M-F while his family was here in Michigan, or Ohio depending on the decade, and missed his kids growing up, thought that he could buy his, and their happiness, and is still trying to spend his way into finding happiness...
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Ryebread, my intent and what you read into it are 2 different things and I can see where you got the idea. But, note my comment about going to work to feed your family and support your lifestyle. Lifestyle is as important as the money as you said, after you reach a comfortable living wage. I guess my first post would be based around the caveat of: how to live with a middle class or above income, being home on the evenings and weekends and making it to your kids ball games. Not working out of town and missing your kids growing up.

RE your father in law......... maybe he would get some personal satisfaction from funding the legal battles of GLFWDA and the need for an OHV area in SE Michigan?
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Old April 7th, 2008, 02:04 PM   #72
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save your self the time and money of going to college and go to a vocational school and learn a trade (welder,fabricator,machinist,etc.) the job out look for welders is great and there will always be a need for cnc programmers, they are the only guys that are needed if a shop goes fully automated.
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exactly, its a fine line, but the bottom line is we all work to make money. So find something you don't hate, but pays the bills.

In my mind, the reason to work is to pay for the rest of my life, and make it enjoyable. So, if you have job that leaves you enough time and earns you enough money to enjoy your life, then thats good in my book.

Would I enjoy something else more? Quite possibly, but then I wouldn't make what I do. And thats the only reason I'm here, to make money. Am I tied to the auto industry and this area? Not entirely, I could work somewhere else if I wanted to, not quite at my pay scale. But so what, I was born here and I like Michigan.

I enjoyed my landscaping days. Fun to drive heavy equipment, and create really cool stuff-decks, ponds, brick work, etc. But, it was 65 hours a week for small pay. As I say, I worked 65 hours a week to pay for college so I didn't have to work 65 hours a week.

I agree with the idea that you need to pick something than pays the bills. It doesn't mean it has to be something you hate, or something that ruins your life, but not having enough money or enough time is what makes people unhappy in life.

I think there are too many people who get hung up on it so much, what would they love to do, that they end up doing something crappy with low pay.
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Ryebread, my intent and what you read into it are 2 different things and I can see where you got the idea. But, note my comment about going to work to feed your family and support your lifestyle. Lifestyle is as important as the money as you said, after you reach a comfortable living wage. I guess my first post would be based around the caveat of: how to live with a middle class or above income, being home on the evenings and weekends and making it to your kids ball games. Not working out of town and missing your kids growing up.

RE your father in law......... maybe he would get some personal satisfaction from funding the legal battles of GLFWDA and the need for an OHV area in SE Michigan?
yeah, we obviously didn't understand each other's intent

re: my father inlaw. about the only satisfaction he gets in life is from golf, and making more money to spend it. the only off-road recreation aside from golf that he enjoys would be skiing in park city, or aspen colorado, or taking his little boat out on the lake from time to time.
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batman or any superhero would be an alter ego of sorts. 99% of all superheros have a civilian identity. if you had said "I'm Bruce Wayne, you know the rest" it would have been better.
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i am an apprentice for millwright and i am lucky that my placement is paying for all of my college i have to take
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I do adult day care. (Corrections Officer for a Federal Prison) College major was killing Haji and staying alive. (Army went to Iraq twice). Federal jobs have the best retirement I've seen, great benefits, average pay, and JOB SECURITY!!!


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I may need to call ya'... I'm sitting here, typing from the laptop as I clog the pipes...
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exactly, its a fine line, but the bottom line is we all work to make money. So find something you don't hate, but pays the bills.

In my mind, the reason to work is to pay for the rest of my life, and make it enjoyable. So, if you have job that leaves you enough time and earns you enough money to enjoy your life, then thats good in my book.

Would I enjoy something else more? Quite possibly, but then I wouldn't make what I do. And thats the only reason I'm here, to make money. Am I tied to the auto industry and this area? Not entirely, I could work somewhere else if I wanted to, not quite at my pay scale. But so what, I was born here and I like Michigan.

I enjoyed my landscaping days. Fun to drive heavy equipment, and create really cool stuff-decks, ponds, brick work, etc. But, it was 65 hours a week for small pay. As I say, I worked 65 hours a week to pay for college so I didn't have to work 65 hours a week.

I agree with the idea that you need to pick something than pays the bills. It doesn't mean it has to be something you hate, or something that ruins your life, but not having enough money or enough time is what makes people unhappy in life.

I think there are too many people who get hung up on it so much, what would they love to do, that they end up doing something crappy with low pay.

I think you're reading my mind! Pretty much my opinion too. The problem with finding something you love to do is that you do it and you squeeze it and twist it for everything it's worth and in the end, you don't remember what it was you loved about it.
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