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Old June 28th, 2008, 01:47 PM   #1
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Im finally tired of buying POS trucks, so im in the market to buy a nice 1/2-3/4 truck to use as a DD/Tow rig. The truck would see 90% DDing and 10% towing. Ive looked at a few mid 90's GMCs all with 350's, auto trans and 4x4. All these trucks are almost 13 years old and all have 100k+ miles on them. Prices ranged from 3-5k.

The other option ive been looking at is 3/4 ton Diesels. Yesterday I stopped at a local dealership and on the lot they had a 02 Ford F-250 Crew Cab, Short bed Lariat, 7.3 powerstroke w/auto trans 4x4 truck. The truck looked brand new, clean inside and out, very grandpa style. They wanted around 14k for the truck.

Right now im still in college, with around 1.25 years left till i get my degree. I have an alright paying job right now, but not sure which way to go. I could buy a cheap truck & pay it off real quick but it probably wouldnt last more than a few years. Or I could get a 4/5 years loan and buy a nice truck that could last me 10years or more, tow all I could ever want... The only problem i can see with the diesel is the cost of fuel, but I could always do a veggie conversion on it down the road.

What are peoples opinions to this question? I need to make up my mind within the next week or less, cause my litte Toyota beater truck isnt gonna last much longer
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Old June 28th, 2008, 02:18 PM   #2
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diesil is more than you need, I don't know about fords but a 24v cummins can get about 23 mpg so fuel cost can even out some times but that is with a chip, it comes down to preferance and what you want to spend, older 3/d tons don't ride as well so consider that also.
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Old June 28th, 2008, 02:21 PM   #3
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wanna buy my white chevy skoots?
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Old June 28th, 2008, 02:36 PM   #4
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A 1/2 ton will tow most all the the average Joe needs. And a 1/2 ton will average better mileage.

Im not sold on diesels unless you tow everyday. How often do you change your fuel filter on a gasser? how many quarts of oil does your gasser take? Ever bought parts for a diesel (its not pretty).

Just my $.02 though.
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a 1/2 ton gaser will do fine for you in MI. When you wheel out of state and hit the mountains you will be wishing that you bought the grandpa F-250 7.3L

I picked up a beater diesel that did awesome for under $5g but I then went out and bought my awesome truck for a ton of money but it's super nice so . . .


I live in a hilly area and always head south through the mountains so for me it was easy to choose the Diesel and look how much money I'll save on plugs and wires over the years
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buy my 96 3/4 ton chevy diesel. its cheap and you get a diesel.
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and look how much money I'll save on plugs and wires over the years
3 oil changes and I bought my plugs and wires.

Instead of a $100 set of plugs and wires its a $800 injection pump.
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If you're still in college, I would wait it out until you're done and then buy the truck you want for a price you can truly afford. Instead of getting tied into a 4year loan+insurance (full coverage because you owe on the truck) Do you know where you'll be in 3-4 years, and can you afford to have those payments anchored to you? Keep in mind you can't blow all your cash on a sweet truck to look cool in while in college. Ramen noodles aren't very healthy. There are other responsibilites than having a dope ride.

So. If you really need a newer truck, try to find something cheaper, as you did find things in the 5k range.
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Old June 29th, 2008, 09:00 PM   #9
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no such thing as too much truck.. no matter what you buy you'll wish you had gone bigger in a yr..
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Old June 29th, 2008, 09:11 PM   #10
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no such thing as too much truck.. no matter what you buy you'll wish you had gone bigger in a yr..
Not true.

My truck tows everything I tow just fine, I was thinking the other day I coulda gotten away with a small SUV with a v8
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find a low mileage 2nd gen Ram with a cummins.
Million mile motor. with good street manners.
Solid front axle for strength.
Straight six for simplicity.
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3 oil changes and I bought my plugs and wires.

Instead of a $100 set of plugs and wires its a $800 injection pump.
I know :tonka:


how about something like this?

http://www.greatlakes4x4.com/showthread.php?t=95611
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find a low mileage 2nd gen Ram with a cummins.
Million mile motor. with good street manners.
Solid front axle for strength.
Straight six for simplicity.
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Or find a nice 1st gen Cummins. My '90 4x4 got 23 mpg empty on my trip up north last weekend. At $.50 to $.70 more a gallon, you would have to get at least 20 mpg in a gasser to make diesel more expensive to run. Many 1st gens and 2nd gens, and a few 3rd gen Cummins are capable of over 20 mpg. You will be hard pressed to find a cheaper truck that get comparable mileage. Also people like to bring up the oil changes, $60 will get you 8-10k miles. Compare that.
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Or find a nice 1st gen Cummins. My '90 4x4 got 23 mpg empty on my trip up north last weekend. At $.50 to $.70 more a gallon, you would have to get at least 20 mpg in a gasser to make diesel more expensive to run. Many 1st gens and 2nd gens, and a few 3rd gen Cummins are capable of over 20 mpg. You will be hard pressed to find a cheaper truck that get comparable mileage. Also people like to bring up the oil changes, $60 will get you 8-10k miles. Compare that.
My truck is currently averaging 20.5 mpg over hte last month and half of driving. My oil changes happen when the computer tells me to change the oil. I am at 22k and have changed the oil twice.
i did the last change myself for $10.

Granted I have a payment. But I would be willing to bet my 1/2 gasser tows as well as your older diesel.
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My truck is currently averaging 20.5 mpg over hte last month and half of driving. My oil changes happen when the computer tells me to change the oil. I am at 22k and have changed the oil twice.
i did the last change myself for $10.

Granted I have a payment. But I would be willing to bet my 1/2 gasser tows as well as your older diesel.
I can do anything better than you or your truck can.:tonka: but in this case your right, for once. depending on the load to be towed, I would rather use the newer 1/2 ton. since the dodges ride like a fucking overloaded shit cart, and have the creature comforts of a portajohn.
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and so goes another example of Chronic Cummins Envy
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I want in on the 1/2 ton hauling a trailer as well as a 3/4 ton diesel. That is da funnay.
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I want in on the 1/2 ton hauling a trailer as well as a 3/4 ton diesel. That is da funnay.
It might have enough power to get it down the road, but that's about it.
I know a guy who tows a 23' boat with a Vue, but he mostly, only goes 1/4 mile. Still nuts IMHO.

We scream safety, safety, safety when winching/pulling with anything but a unworn, non-tattered strap, but won't hesitate to pull 10k down the road with an F150 "because it can". A Mis-Guided Missile. An accident waiting for a place to happen.

Another factor is if you are pushing those load limits all the time, how long will your 1/2t vehicle last. Not an issue if you buy a new one every three years, I can't afford that.
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Or find a nice 1st gen Cummins. My '90 4x4 got 23 mpg empty on my trip up north last weekend. At $.50 to $.70 more a gallon, you would have to get at least 20 mpg in a gasser to make diesel more expensive to run. Many 1st gens and 2nd gens, and a few 3rd gen Cummins are capable of over 20 mpg. You will be hard pressed to find a cheaper truck that get comparable mileage. Also people like to bring up the oil changes, $60 will get you 8-10k miles. Compare that.
$60? Oil filter $9 and 3 gallons of oil $25-30. I run mine about 12k between changes, but I have mine tested for $20 each time I change it. I guess that is $60 if you include the lab testing.
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$60? Oil filter $9 and 3 gallons of oil $25-30. I run mine about 12k between changes, but I have mine tested for $20 each time I change it. I guess that is $60 if you include the lab testing.
And they tell you your good for another 5k.
I just do mine every 10k.

But I add one of those gallons per tank full of fuel. At $4 per gallon thats $12 back in my pocket. It's a Cummins, you can do that.
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