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Old March 25th, 2008, 06:57 PM   #1
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I know we have beaten global warming to death on here. This article seems to refute the common thought that the warming of the planet is slow (which I think on an average across the planet, it is).

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Vast Antarctic ice shelf on verge of collapse

updated 2:20 p.m. CT, Tues., March. 25, 2008
A vast ice shelf hanging on by a thin strip looks to be the next chunk to break off from the Antarctic Peninsula, the latest sign of global warming’s impact on Earth's southernmost continent.

Scientists are shocked by the rapid change of events.

Glaciologist Ted Scambos of the University of Colorado was monitoring satellite images of the Wilkins Ice Shelf and spotted a huge iceberg measuring 25 miles by 1.5 miles that appeared to have broken away from the shelf.

Scambos alerted colleagues at the British Antarctic Survey (BAS) that it looked like the entire ice shelf — about 6,180 square miles (about the size of Northern Ireland)— was at risk of collapsing.

David Vaughan of the BAS had predicted in 1993 that the northern part of the Wilkins Ice Shelf was likely to be lost within 30 years if warming on the Peninsula continued at the same rate.

"Wilkins is the largest ice shelf on the Antarctic Peninsula yet to be threatened," he said. "I didn't expect to see things happen this quickly. The ice shelf is hanging by a thread — we'll know in the next few days and weeks what its fate will be."

Aircraft reconnaissance
The BAS scientists sent an aircraft out on a reconnaissance mission to survey the extent of damage to the ice shelf.

Jim Elliot, who captured video of the breakout said, "I've never seen anything like this before — it was awesome. We flew along the main crack and observed the sheer scale of movement from the breakage. Big hefty chunks of ice, the size of small houses, look as though they've been thrown around like rubble — it's like an explosion."

An initial iceberg calved away from the Wilkins Ice Shelf on Feb. 28. A series of images shows the edge of the ice shelf proceeding to crumble and disintegrate in a pattern characteristic of climate-caused ice shelf retreats throughout the northern Antarctic Peninsula. The disintegration left a sky-blue patch of hundreds of large blocks of exposed old glacier ice floating across the ocean surface.

By March 8, the ice shelf had lost just over 160 square miles of ice, and the disintegrated ice had spread over 540 square miles. As of mid-March only a narrow strip of shelf ice between Charcot and Latady islands was protecting several thousand more kilometers of the ice shelf from potentially breaking up.

The region where the Wilkins Ice Shelf lies has experienced unprecedented warming in the past 50 years, with several ice shelves retreating in the past 30 years. Six of these ice shelves have collapsed completely: Prince Gustav Channel, Larsen Inlet, Larsen A, Larsen B, Wordie, Muller and the Jones Ice Shelf.

Antarctic warming
The Wilkins Ice Shelf was stable for most of the last century until it began retreating in the 1990s. A previous major breakout occurred there in 1998 when 390 square miles of ice was lost in just a few months.

"We believe the Wilkins has been in place for at least a few hundred years, but warm air and exposure to ocean waves are causing it to break up," Scambos said.

The Antarctic Peninsula has warmed faster than anywhere else in the Southern Hemisphere; temperature records show that the region has warmed by over 37 degrees Fahrenheit during the past 50 years — several times the global average and only matched in Alaska.

Other parts of Antarctica, including the East Antarctic Ice Sheet, seem to be more stable, though areas of melt have been observed in recent years.

Melting in the Antarctic is different than the recent record melt in the Arctic. Antarctica is composed of ice sheets, or huge masses of ice up to 2.5 miles thick that lie on top of bedrock and flow toward the coast, and ice shelves, the floating extensions of ice sheets. Arctic ice is primarily sea ice, some of which persists year-round and some of which melts in the summer and freezes again in the winter.

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Old March 25th, 2008, 07:09 PM   #2
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I can't wait, please expound on this Mr. Toes.
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I saw that earlier. I think it's a typo...

This says 3, not 37...

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...-ais032508.php

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The Antarctic Peninsula is an area of rapid climate change and has warmed faster than anywhere else in the Southern Hemisphere over the past half century. Climate records from the west coast of the Antarctic Peninsula show that temperatures in this region have risen by nearly 3°C during the last 50 years – several times the global average and only matched in Alaska.
edit... I just thought about it more... I bet what some genius did was take 3°C and put it in a units converter (http://www.digitaldutch.com/unitconverter/) and it came up 37.4°F :tonka:

The correct conversion is 5.4°F

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I can't wait, please expound on this Mr. Toes.
Last year when Antarctic set a new record for ice extent, it got no media attention. They focused on the north polar regions where the ice set record low levels. This summer when unprecedented anomalous cover continued in the Southern Hemisphere again no coverage. Then this report in the news today. You probably saw it on your favorite alarmist network or internet news site (pick one, anyone).

Vast Antarctic Ice Shelf on Verge of Collapse - Latest Sign of Global Warming’s Impact Shocks Scientists
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I saw that earlier. I think it's a typo...

This says 3, not 37...

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...-ais032508.php



edit... I just thought about it more... I bet what some genius did was take 3°C and put it in a units converter (http://www.digitaldutch.com/unitconverter/) and it came up 37.4°F :tonka:

The correct conversion is 5.4°F

Good job.

A front-page article on June 16 about climate change in Alaska misstated the rise in temperatures there in the last 30 years. (The error was repeated in an editorial on Monday and in the Bob Herbert column on the Op-Ed page of June 24.) According to an assessment by the University of Alaska's Center for Global Change and Arctic System Research, the annual mean temperature has risen 5.4 degrees Fahrenheit over 30 years, not 7 degrees.
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ice shelf collapse-tell jesus next time more triangulation
ice melting-more water for my pool this summer!
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It is God's will.
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Could Be.
But it might also be a cycle similar to the Interglacial period that happened about 130000 years ago. It left almost no ice on, I believe, the North pole.
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But it might also be a cycle similar to the Interglacial period that happened about 130000 years ago. It left almost no ice on, I believe, the North pole.
You must not be a YEC. :tonka:
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You must not be a YEC. :tonka:
You got it all over on me with the text message abriviations I honestly don't have a clue what YEC is. So if you would clairify that I'm sure the insult would be more effective.

Also since you don't have a job I assume when I come to Mt pleasant to gamble I have to buy the drinks. Thanks ass hole
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You got it all over on me with the text message abriviations I honestly don't have a clue what YEC is. So if you would clairify that I'm sure the insult would be more effective.

Also since you don't have a job I assume when I come to Mt pleasant to gamble I have to buy the drinks. Thanks ass hole
YEC=Young Earth Creationist

I'll buy some drinks, but you have to come on Thursday night, 2 dollar pints at Mountain Town
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I'll buy some drinks, but you have to come on Thursday night, 2 dollar pints at Mountain Town
I'm a Crown Royal guy myself, but that might work.
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I heard the great lakes were dug by glaciers. True story.
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No they where dug by Chinese coolies
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global warming = 100 inch of snow fall this yr..
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Everyone knows that Paul Bunyon dug the great lakes in less than a week. DUH!
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Wow, you obviously have no understanding of how global warming works. You see we're getting warmer, but that causes the Earth to get colder and causes weather chaos. Therefore, that causes us to get snow.
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Warm winter = global warming
cold winter = global warming
no snow = global warming
tons of snow = global warming
lots of hurricanes = global warming
no hurricanes = global warming
Al Gore = dumbass piece of shit that is making asinine amounts of money off of stupid people and the media just buys right in to it
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