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Old March 31st, 2008, 09:01 PM   #1
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Police: Girl Dies After Parents Pray for Healing Instead of Seeking Medical Help

Wednesday, March 26, 2008




WESTON, Wis.
An 11-year-old girl died after her parents prayed for healing rather than seek medical help for a treatable form of diabetes, police said Tuesday.

Everest Metro Police Chief Dan Vergin said Madeline Neumann died Sunday.

"She got sicker and sicker until she was dead," he said.

Vergin said an autopsy determined the girl died from diabetic ketoacidosis, an ailment that left her with too little insulin in her body, and she had probably been ill for about 30 days, suffering symptoms like nausea, vomiting, excessive thirst, loss of appetite and weakness.

The girl's parents, Dale and Leilani Neumann, attributed the death to "apparently they didn't have enough faith," the police chief said.

They believed the key to healing "was it was better to keep praying. Call more people to help pray," he said.

The mother believes the girl could still be resurrected, the police chief said.

Telephone messages left at the Neumann home by The Associated Press were not immediately returned.

The family does not attend an organized church or participate in an organized religion, Vergin said. "They have a little Bible study of a few people."

The parents told investigators their daughter last saw a doctor when she was 3 to get some shots, Vergin said. The girl had attended public school during the first semester but didn't return for the second semester.

Officers went to the home after one of the girl's relatives in California called police to check on her, Vergin said. She was taken to a hospital where she was pronounced dead.

The relative was fearful the girl was "extremely ill, dire," Vergin said.

The girl has three siblings, ranging in age from 13 to 16, the police chief said.

"They are still in the home," he said. "There is no reason to remove them. There is no abuse or signs of abuse that we can see."

The girl's death remains under investigation and the findings will be forwarded to the district attorney to review for possible charges, the chief said.

The family operates a coffee shop in Weston, which is a suburb of Wausau, Vergin said.
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I hope the parents are charged with a crime to prevent this from happening to another child...

These people's delusions allowed them to essentially kill their child. I suppose they could plead insanity...
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Old March 31st, 2008, 09:35 PM   #2
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Nothing is "harmless" when carried to a ridiculous extreme.
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Old March 31st, 2008, 10:14 PM   #3
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Old March 31st, 2008, 10:21 PM   #4
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I've heard of this thing before with Scientoligests. I guess they don't believe that medicine can do you any good and faith in God will heal everything. Poor kid, she must have suffered miserably before her death.
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I've heard of this thing before with Scientoligests. I guess they don't believe that medicine can do you any good and faith in God will heal everything. Poor kid, she must have suffered miserably before her death.
nope, you're thinking Christian Scientists.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/cr_sci.htm
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nope, you're thinking Christian Scientists.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/cr_sci.htm
You are correct, thank you. I thought I might be screwing that up.
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There's a big difference in believing in God and being stupid. IMO, your faith should realize that God gave us the gift of medicine and therefore it should be used.
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There's a big difference in believing in God and being stupid. IMO, your faith should realize that God gave us the gift of medicine and therefore it should be used.

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Old April 1st, 2008, 07:21 AM   #9
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There's a big difference in believing in God and being stupid. IMO, your faith should realize that God gave us the gift of medicine and therefore it should be used.
should your faith also make you realize that the theory of evolution is what ties everything we know about biology together and this is what they base modern medicine on?

P.S. I found a website last night that allows you jesus freaks to "believe" in evolution, too.

http://answersincreation.org/
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on a slightly lighter note... the delusions continue.

http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1152984

50 people looking for solar image of Mary lose sight

THIRUVANANTHAPURAM: At least 50 people in Kottayam district have reportedly lost their vision after gazing at the sun looking for an image of Virgin Mary.

Though alarmed health authorities have installed a signboard to counter the rumour that a solar image of Virgin Mary appeared to the believers, curious onlookers, including foreign travellers, have been thronging the venue of the ‘miracle’.

St Joseph’s ENT and Eye Hospital in Kanjirappally alone has recorded 48 cases of vision loss due to photochemical burns on the retina. “All our patients have similar history and symptoms. The damage is to the macula, the most sensitive part of retina. They have developed photochemical, not thermal, burns after continuously gazing at the sun,” Dr Annamma James Isaac, the hospital’s ophthalmologist, said.

The hospital has been receiving patients with these abnormal symptoms since Friday. When the doctors found a pattern in the case sheets, they reported it to the district medical officer.

The health department has now put up a signboard at the hotelier’s house near Erumeli, where the divine image is said to have appeared, warning people against exposing their eyes to sunlight.

Even the churches in the vicinity disowned the miracle during Sunday mass after health officers and doctors approached the clergy. The house in question has been the centre of local rumours for a few months. The hotelier, who has since moved to another house, had claimed that statues of Mother Mary in his house have been crying honey and bleeding oil and perfumes.

Though people have been flocking to the “blessed land” - hastily christened Rosa Mystica Mountain - for long, the mad rush for the image in the sky began a week ago.

There are quite a few people still seeking the miracle, despite the experiences of their unfortunate predecessors and strict health warnings against gazing at the sun with the naked eye.

“The patients show varying degrees of severity. They are mostly girls in 12-26 age group. Our youngest patient is 12 and the oldest 60. Most of them were looking at the sun between 2 and 4 pm, when UV1 and UV2 rays are harshest,” Dr James Isaac said. He added that they could identify the problem as solar retinopathy because they were aware of the local sensation.

“Most patients may hopefully improve their vision. But there may be long-term effects on the retina,” he added.
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should your faith also make you realize that the theory of evolution is what ties everything we know about biology together and this is what they base modern medicine on?

P.S. I found a website last night that allows you jesus freaks to "believe" in evolution, too.

http://answersincreation.org/
I'm still looking for the web site or any scientific evidence that supports a jump form one species to another. That is the basis of evolution and it is an unproven theory in all fossile study for ever species known to man. It has been scientifcally proven that there is nothing to suggest that a species jump has ever occurred period. Therefore we must have blind unsupported faith that these unproven species jumps just some how occurred with no supporting evidence because some guy from the 1800 came up with that thought.


WOW and you knock religious beliefs.
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Old April 1st, 2008, 08:34 AM   #12
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Yes, I'm a Jesus "freak" and I believe in evolution. microevolution
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Old April 1st, 2008, 08:44 AM   #13
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yeah if "god" gave us anything when "he" created us, It was the ability to heal ourselves.... IN HOSPITALS!!!!!!!
People are just dumb as hell these days..
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I'm still looking for the web site or any scientific evidence that supports a jump form one species to another. That is the basis of evolution and it is an unproven theory in all fossile study for ever species known to man. It has been scientifcally proven that there is nothing to suggest that a species jump has ever occurred period. Therefore we must have blind unsupported faith that these unproven species jumps just some how occurred with no supporting evidence because some guy from the 1800 came up with that thought.


WOW and you knock religious beliefs.
here's a fun little lesson plan to teach you about fossil evidence for evolution.

http://www.teachersdomain.org/resour...vid/index.html

blind unsupported faith...that sounds sooooo familiar...
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here's a fun little lesson plan to teach you about fossil evidence for evolution.

http://www.teachersdomain.org/resour...vid/index.html

blind unsupported faith...that sounds sooooo familiar...
moar internets links to make Jesus a fake!!1
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why does evolution have to discredit Christianity? When the scientists have so much proof for evolution that it is undeniable, will you all renounce your faith? I don't really want you to or care if you do, but that's what it seems like. Is the theory of evolution like a war on Christianity?
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I don't really want you to or care if you do

Then never post about this again and constantly bring it up
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Then never post about this again and constantly bring it up
ok, you kind of have me there, i don't necessarily NEED you to lose your faith, but rather open your mind to other ideas, so that things like the story i posted on doesn't ever happen again.

plus, if i didn't bring it up, it would be boring. what's the difference about discussing this or ford vs. chevy...
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What do you mean religious is not harmless? Haven't you ever read a history book? I realized this when I was 7. 99% of the wars that have ever happened is directly due to religion. Why did it take one whack job family to make you see the light?
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ok, you kind of have me there, i don't necessarily NEED you to lose your faith, but rather open your mind to other ideas, so that things like the story i posted on doesn't ever happen again.

plus, if i didn't bring it up, it would be boring. what's the difference about discussing this or ford vs. chevy...
I dont discuss that either.


My mind is wicked open, I love hearing decent arguments with great facts to back them up so I can reflect on it and really come to my own decision, I love that part.

I cannot, however, read something on a www. and really take it seriously no matter who's work it is, who is cited in the article or any topic no matter how relevant to my interests.
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