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Old March 20th, 2008, 06:07 PM   #21
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what's your biz?

Excavating, so whenever fuel goes up I just add it into the job, and the people we work for add it into their merchandise, or the Government jobs just add it to your taxes. The schools are the best ones, they cut the substitute teachers pay and give it to me. lol
This fuel stuff is bullshit!!!
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haha, that's great. Those people are oh so deserving of that money don't you think

My folks own the hardware in Lakeview, Cantwell's Hardware. I think our salesman's last name is Williams.

The fueleconomy.gov's rating for the 1st gen focus is 30-31, although i've heard of people getting 35, but I'm not sure how accurate that number is. Test drive one, they are definitely fun to drive, especially on twisty roads.
I dont really know them that well, I have a real small set there. Lets just say I never made a killing off them. They seemed ok to me but my contact is limited, what they assholes or something? Ya, your rep is Steve Williams, the old dude. :tonka:
Jim, I'll give the vibe a look, they dont seem too bad looking. I will pass on the aveo. My little two door looks huge compared to them when I blow by them on the highway. I did see one with 5 large adults in one on 75 and it was dragging ass for sure.
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Excavating, so whenever fuel goes up I just add it into the job, and the people we work for add it into their merchandise, or the Government jobs just add it to your taxes. The schools are the best ones, they cut the substitute teachers pay and give it to me. lol
This fuel stuff is bullshit!!!
yeah, like you're the only one who does that...

maybe people will get wise and hire the guy who uses less fuel...
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Old March 20th, 2008, 06:48 PM   #24
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yeah, like you're the only one who does that...

maybe people will get wise and hire the guy who uses less fuel...
How do expect that to happen. 1st the baby boomers are to set in their ways
2nd the yuppies are too self absorbed 3rd the generation entering the work place have lost all of thier religious convictions and finally the next generation need to get qualified teachers to teach them something but that won't happen because of the generation entering the work place.
There are people attempting to hire guys using less fuel but ever time they do those rotten liberal bastards start bitching about slave labor, they say "you can't have 20 or 30 immigrants with shovel and wheel borrows doing the work of a bulldozer". Also its hard to get any production when you trying to put pipe in a 30 foot deep trench and your digging by hand. Not to mention OSHA is a little pissy about that.

I say get your ass in gear and get your teaching cert so you can get a real job and buy a big ass rig to drive to church every Sunday. lol
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Not that I'm suggesting these but the dealer I was talking to last night was telling me people are walking out with brand new Aveo's for less than $7,000 with rebates on them...
If I was in the market I would be looking for a couple year old Vibe. Kim's GT hauled butt and got 30+. And it had tons of storage.
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Plus its basically a toyota that you can drive and not get eggs thrown at you in Michigan!!!
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those were teh sex when I was in High School.
Probe's were never teh Sex.



Sorry, Maybe you liked to get probes in High School
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It is your right to buy the biggest baddest truck in the land and you can drive it anywhere you want, even to work, everyday, 300 mile round trip.

It is my right to make fun of you when you complain about gas prices.

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Old March 20th, 2008, 07:11 PM   #28
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Excavating, so whenever fuel goes up I just add it into the job, and the people we work for add it into their merchandise, or the Government jobs just add it to your taxes. The schools are the best ones, they cut the substitute teachers pay and give it to me. lol
This fuel stuff is bullshit!!!
Well hopefully eventually your customers will wise up, go with someone who knows how to control costs and can undercut your price, and put you out of business. You don't sound like a very intelligent businessman.
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i think near the end of Summer everyone will see whats going on and Say "WTF"
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Whoever drives the most that day, or will be using the most fuel (stop and go, idling) gets to use the Neon. The truck is used only when needed.

Our daughters 1996 Neon still gets 36 mpg on the highway. My 2005 gets 33 mpg in the cold months. Never really had it on long trips for a variety of reasons, least of which was that it was a 3rd car for over a year. Will be keeping an eye on it this year.

Caught something on the radio today, just the end of it. Have no clue what the rest of the story was all about but the comment I caught was that some experts expect the price of a barrel of oil may be down to the $70 ish range. Man I hope that was an expert who actually knew something. If this does happen (and I am skeptical as hell) I wonder if the price of gas will come down, and if not, what the next excuse will be.

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Old March 20th, 2008, 11:03 PM   #31
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Well hopefully eventually your customers will wise up, go with someone who knows how to control costs and can undercut your price, and put you out of business. You don't sound like a very intelligent businessman.

I think the opposite. I think it would be very difficult to control fuel cost of operating equipment. These machines are not like cars where you can hit the cruise control and obey the seed limit to maximize mileage. Most construction equipment runs pretty much flat out because it has to by design. It's really tough to run an excavator at half throttle and get a hole dug out in a respectable time.

All business must operate on a "margin". To stay within this profitability margin, the cost of operation must be passed on to the consumer. The business person that does not keep an eye on margin will not be in business long.
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Is it my right to drive the biggest baddest fuel sucking monster I can get my hands on and make fun of you when I pass the fuel costs on to you.
I hope fuel goes to $10.00 a gallon.
I'm thinking of stepping up from the F350 I drive everwhere for no other reason than I like a truck to a 450 or 550.
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I think the opposite. I think it would be very difficult to control fuel cost of operating equipment. These machines are not like cars where you can hit the cruise control and obey the seed limit to maximize mileage. Most construction equipment runs pretty much flat out because it has to by design. It's really tough to run an excavator at half throttle and get a hole dug out in a respectable time.

All business must operate on a "margin". To stay within this profitability margin, the cost of operation must be passed on to the consumer. The business person that does not keep an eye on margin will not be in business long.
True, except for the part, quoted above, wheres he's bragging about how he can drive a huge truck for no reason but that he wants to and will pass the cost on to his customers.
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Well hopefully eventually your customers will wise up, go with someone who knows how to control costs and can undercut your price, and put you out of business. You don't sound like a very intelligent businessman.
You guy's actually make me laugh a happy laugh. Look at what I do for a living and then close your eyes and squeeze them really tight and try to visualize Big dozers and excavators on the side of the road. Then keep squeezing your eyes and visualize the guy that runs the equipment pulling up to the job with a 100 gallon fuel tank and a huge tool box with shovels and sledge hammers and such all packed in a beetle.
Yeah, might be I have to drive the biggest PU i can find out of necessity.
I already have had customers that use the cheap guy, untill the cheap guy goes broke then they call me to finish the job, thats when I really make money, or at least thats the way it has worked for me for close to 30 years.


Not bad for an unintelligent buisnessman.
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I know more about you than you know! Actually I'm (was) the Forney rep for that store. I dont think we've met I just know you worked there. Wheres your dads store? I'll be getting a newer car this spring (under 9000) and the focus was on my short list. Although it looks as though it doesnt get much better than I'm getting now in my 99 avenger. I get around 26 now and want around 30-35 to make it more worthwhile spending the money on a different one. I would like a vw tdi but the cost way too much with 100,000 on it already.
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Thought when we talked that you were considering an Impala??? Mine running highway the way I drive gets 30 mpg and I only paid $5,800 for it with 70k miles... It's got the 3800 and lots of room for comfort... Don't settle too much to get a few more mpg, comfort is important when you spend a lot of time in the damn things...
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I'm not settling at all, but as long as I'm spending the money I want the most for it. I am considering the impala but its a little bigger than I need therfore not getting the mileage it should. I believe you on the 30mpg but most people I have asked say its around 24-28, same as I get now. Plus I went the 70,000 mile route already then I need a new car in less time. If I get one with 20-30 I can get another year or two out of it. If I could find a tdi VW the price difference would make up for it on fuel savings. Plus the 3800 is only available up to 2005, which is on the edge of the year range I'm looking into. The 06 impalas do not get 30mpg.
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I'm not settling at all, but as long as I'm spending the money I want the most for it. I am considering the impala but its a little bigger than I need therfore not getting the mileage it should. I believe you on the 30mpg but most people I have asked say its around 24-28, same as I get now. Plus I went the 70,000 mile route already then I need a new car in less time. If I get one with 20-30 I can get another year or two out of it. If I could find a tdi VW the price difference would make up for it on fuel savings. Plus the 3800 is only available up to 2005, which is on the edge of the year range I'm looking into. The 06 impalas do not get 30mpg.
Have you ever drove or been in the TDI? One of the guys I commute with has one and it's pretty small for me especially if you have anyone in the back seat. I know that you won't have people in the back seat so you'd probably be fine in it. His has 220+K on it and it's still going strong so it would last you a while. He gets around 48 mpg which is good. Now with current fuel prices he and I spend about the same amout of money on fuel driving to work but that's not always going to be the case.
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I have not driven one. Most the ones I find are 6 years old, have 100k on it and they want 10,000 for it, so I probably never will be in one. I would like mid to low 30's, that usually comes with a smaller car. I dont mind a smaller car, I'm not that fat yet. Plus I always drive alone in it anyway.
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I have not driven one. Most the ones I find are 6 years old, have 100k on it and they want 10,000 for it, so I probably never will be in one. I would like mid to low 30's, that usually comes with a smaller car. I dont mind a smaller car, I'm not that fat yet. Plus I always drive alone in it anyway.
that was my problem, i couldn't see dropping that kind of money on a car with over 100k miles.
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Well hopefully eventually your customers will wise up, go with someone who knows how to control costs and can undercut your price, and put you out of business. You don't sound like a very intelligent businessman.
no I think he's got something there. I think for the next company vehicle for the Hardware, we'll get a Bentley. It's no thing, we'll just pass the price of that onto our customers...no big deal.

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I have not driven one. Most the ones I find are 6 years old, have 100k on it and they want 10,000 for it, so I probably never will be in one. I would like mid to low 30's, that usually comes with a smaller car. I dont mind a smaller car, I'm not that fat yet. Plus I always drive alone in it anyway.
I just have a hard time fitting comfortably into a lot of vehicles because of height... I haven't really paid attention, we're pretty close in height aren't we?
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