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Old March 18th, 2008, 09:09 PM   #1
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I have a line on a set of dana 44's out of a 78 scout. Are these wider than the n/t axles on a 77 cj ? Have not been able to get a wms on these yet.
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Yes, but not much at all. About 58". They will look good.

The problem with them is that you will either have to outboard your front springs, buy a full-width bracket kit, or cut down one side of the front Scout D44 in order to get the passenger front leaf off the differential.

The rear is not a problem. Couple new perches welded on and you're done.
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The WMS to WMS on the Scout axles should be around 58 1/2"
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ive heard of alot of scout axles running very low spline counts. it may be worth you time to count it or look up an index online
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Those axles should be the 30 spline.
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ive heard of alot of scout axles running very low spline counts. it may be worth you time to count it or look up an index online
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Those axles should be the 30 spline.
Yes. Its only the earlier ones you have to watch out for.
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Old March 19th, 2008, 07:42 AM   #7
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Nobody has mentioned the zero-caster front axle consideration yet. Something to consider/research.

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Nobody has mentioned the zero-caster front axle consideration yet. Something to consider/research.

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That's because it has nothing to do with width.


Its a good point, though. One more thing to deal with and a very tedious or expensive one if you pay to have someone rotate your knuckle yokes. The up side is that it would allow you to set your pinion andle at the same time. This is why many people choose Wagoneer axles (60.5") over Scout. The 1980 model year was the only Scout D44 front that was built with caster from the factory (3).
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Not sure about caster kinda new to this, can you explain good and bad?
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Your supposed to have between 4 to 6 degrees of negative castor on your knuckles.

Or the C's on the end of the axle tube. Meaning the upper part of the C should be 4 to 6 degrees farther towards the rear of the vehicle.

Having zero degrees of castor can cause shopping cart wobble. And nobody likes shopping cart wobble.
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Pat don't you remember that I'm running these axles on my Jeep? I have had them on there for years not and have never had a problem. No wobble no nothing. Spring over, spring under it didn't matter, they always worked great. The width looks great on the jeep and they are 30 spline axles front and back. I think they are/were a great axle option on my jeep especially seeing how I got them for free...
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Are yours from a 1980?

If you don't rotate the knuckle yokes on a non-1980 Scout D44, the caster relative to the spring perches does not change. However, installing them in another vehicle (and changing the orientation from the original Scout orientation) will still change the angle of the ball joint axis relative to the ground. This might result in acceptable operation for some people based on how they use their vehicle, but that doesn't mean it can't be made better - they just don't know what "better" feels like since "okay" is already good enough for them.
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We installed scout 44's on my buddies yj. It was fairly easy to adjust the castor. I will try to list our steps bellow.

1. We used a digital angle gage to referance the stock castor.
2. Marked the tube and knuckle for stock settings.
3. We ground the welds all around the tube.
4. Next, we used a big f'n hammer to rotate the knuckles.
5. After double checking the new caster settings, we re-welded the tubes all-around.

My question is, has anyone ever re-drilled the shafts to accept 4.5x5 rims?

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I run a front Scout II Dana 44 in my CJ. I agree with the caster issue, as it can cause some negative handling characteristics, so it really should be adjusted between 4 and 6 degrees. If you want something to bolt into a CJ, you can either shorten or outboard your springs. My long side shaft is narrowed, so the perches will match up and is the same length as a stock CJ widetrack setup.
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Don't let the Scout haters change your mind... I'm currently running Scout Dana 44 axles with Rubicon SOA springs. I have to be honest, I don't know the year of the vehicle they came from. I got the vehicle for free, took it home, cut them out, and scraped the rest of the rusty vehicle. In my opinion they are a great option. The only trouble you will have is spreading the shackle mounts to keep the full width. A little fab work and you will be all set.
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Don't let the Scout haters change your mind... I'm currently running Scout Dana 44 axles with Rubicon SOA springs. I have to be honest, I don't know the year of the vehicle they came from. I got the vehicle for free, took it home, cut them out, and scraped the rest of the rusty vehicle. In my opinion they are a great option. The only trouble you will have is spreading the shackle mounts to keep the full width. A little fab work and you will be all set.
Who's hating anything? Not informing the guy of what he might have to deal with and just blowing sunshine up his ass would be a clear cut case of douchebaggery.

The points people made are real. Just because you didn't feel it necessary to deal with them all doesn't mean they shouldn't be made known.
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Pat don't you remember that I'm running these axles on my Jeep? I have had them on there for years not and have never had a problem. No wobble no nothing. Spring over, spring under it didn't matter, they always worked great. The width looks great on the jeep and they are 30 spline axles front and back. I think they are/were a great axle option on my jeep especially seeing how I got them for free...
Oh I remember, and I said it "can" cause a problem. I have built at least 10 Jeeps with these axles and never rotated the knuckles. Some have issues some dont. I've done another 10 or so and rotated the knuckles as well as moved the perchs, shorten long side/lengthened short side to fit the CJ frame.

Even done a couple with coil conversions, so it is a good option if you cant find the Waggy axles or you get a screaming deal on the IH binder running gear.
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Who's hating anything? Not informing the guy of what he might have to deal with and just blowing sunshine up his ass would be a clear cut case of douchebaggery.


The points people made are real. Just because you didn't feel it necessary to deal with them all doesn't mean they shouldn't be made known.
Don't take things so personal... It wasn't a personal attack... I know about the issues that were mentioned in the thread however I was letting him know that I have not had that experience... I was just trying to share my experience so that he can make his own informed decision...
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Don't take things so personal... It wasn't a personal attack... I know about the issues that were mentioned in the thread however I was letting him know that I have not had that experience... I was just trying to share my experience so that he can make his own informed decision...
I don't think you know what "personal" is if you think I am upset about this.

If we're "Scout haters" for informing the guy about the benefits of adjusting caster and its effect on handling, then this statement is just plain douchebaggery and setting him up for failure:

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I don't think you know what "personal" is if you think I am upset about this.

If we're "Scout haters" for informing the guy about the benefits of adjusting caster and its effect on handling, then this statement is just plain douchebaggery and setting him up for failure:
You know I have heard this same crap about these axles ever since I put mine in. You guys had made the points about the so called negative aspects of the axles... I was just letting him know that I did not have that experience. So whatever!!! :chiefwoohaw::chiefwoohaw::chiefwoohaw:

Good luck in whatever you decide my77cj, I'm sure it will work out fine whatever you decide.
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