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Old March 18th, 2008, 07:17 AM   #1
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Everyone,
While there are no new rules for Silver Lake this year there is continued emphasis being placed on safety at the park. As you will note in Pete's letter below, safety record in the park is quite dismal.
We are being asked for input on safety suggestion. Read the below message and post up your suggestions. I will formulate a response for Pete and include our Top 10.
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Attention: Bill Gilbert (MASA), Dwayne Knoll (MSBA), Jim Mazzola (GL4WDA), Lewis Shuler (CCC), and Richard Rondeau (Off-Road Venture)

Gentlemen, I have a request to make of you and your organization's expertise in off-roading. The Silver Lake Chamber of Commerce, through their ORV Area Dune Safety Campaign which began last year, are trying to develop a list of the "top ten" safe driving tips that could be used to address specific vehicles that use the Silver Lake ORV Area.

These top ten tips would be listed both on their web site www.dunesafety.com and in signage we hope to use throughout the ORV Area and local community. The thought is to have at least four different posters (ATV, OHM, 4X4, Dune Buggy) with information aimed
directly at the vehicle depicted in photo or art work that deals with that vehicle. We need ideas of what those top ten items should be from the perspective of the rider/operator. Perhaps we should also look at RUVs (recreational utility vehicles/side-by-side/Rangers, Mule, Gator, etc) and ORVs in general, but thought the place to start is with the most common.

Any assistance you could give us would be greatly appreciated. We are looking for not only safety tip ideas, but also other sources (addresses, web sites, etc) where we can direct folks to get good answers to their riding/operating questions... in particular the subject of safe operation. As you all most likely know the accident record at Silver Lake is really pretty poor and that does no good for anyone or anything... the SLORV Area users, the off-roading sport at-large, the local community and businesses, Silver Lake State Park, and the State of Michigan as a place to visit and safely enjoy the great out-of-doors.

This is an on going project that we hope will grow over the coming years to involve both the State Park and the local community. Your help will go along way towards those ends.
Any questions, please do not hesitate to call.

Thanks for your time and thoughts in advance,

Pete

Peter G. LundBorg, Unit Manager
Silver Lake State Park / Hart-Montague-Berry Junction Trail
9679 - W State Park Road
Mears, Michigan 49436
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Old March 18th, 2008, 07:19 AM   #2
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absolutly no u turns on test hill..... my .02
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-if you have never been on the dunes before, dont think that you can go rent a jeep and tear it up like a veteran

-dont drive past your ability

-pay attention (I dont know how many times I was almost smacked by a quad)

-secure all cargo (coolers, straps, etc)
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I know many of these are already rules but here are the Top Ten IMO,

1.) No intoxicants.
2.) Wear a helmet and proper riding gear on Quads / Bikes etc...
3.) Wear Seat Belts in vehicles.
4.) Watch your speed.
5.) Obey the directional traffic requirements.
6.) Do not park or stand on the down side of a ridge.
7.) Use caution when cresting ridges.
8.) Use a spotter when jumping a ridge.
9.) Be aware of your surroundings.
10.) Secure all loose objects in vehicles.

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absolutly no u turns on test hill..... my .02

that and slow dwon think before you act is this realy what i want to do i have seeen quads stop where i cant see them util i got over the hill but people up there just need to think
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absolutly no u turns on test hill..... my .02
Maybe you should clarify?

I would agree that you absolutely should not come up the back side of test hill under no circumstances, and you should also be smart when it comes to parking.

But whats wrong with doing some u-turns on the face of the hill if you check out the traffic situation? or maybe do some side hilling?
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I was the first recorded injury last season for that exact reason, though not being new to ATVs or the dunes, i have the inclination to do stupid shit, just like Honda says STUPID HURTS

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Old March 18th, 2008, 10:23 AM   #8
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do not follow somebody up the hill.....last year i was driving up test messing around and got 3/4 before i couldn't go any further. I start to back down when a quad runs right up behind me. Directly behind, sees me, stops and she does a back flip off the quad and quad lands on top of her. So now i am stopped on the hill 20 feet ahead a this idiot and i cannot back down.
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1. When coming down a hill or backing down a hill apply only light brake preasure.

2. There should be more warning signs coming up exit hill about the steep
drop off.

3. Need over head sign as you come into park telling people to air down their tires.

4. Thanks Jim
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I agree 100%!!!!!!!!!!! If the giant red and white signs say "one way traffic", (I think that is what they say?) then how come people can turn around on Test and come back down???? If you make it up the hill and don't want to go over the top then you back down, you don't just crank it left or right and cruise across the top.

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Maybe you should clarify?

I would agree that you absolutely should not come up the back side of test hill under no circumstances, and you should also be smart when it comes to parking.

But whats wrong with doing some u-turns on the face of the hill if you check out the traffic situation? or maybe do some side hilling?

What's wrong is there may be someone waiting to go up, but they see you IDIOTS driving sideways across the hill. I had that happen to me, and had to sit and wait before I could safely proceed up the hill the CORRECT way...which is STRAIGHT UP! Hills are to be climbed, not driven across. How much more clear can you get than ONE-WAY, which is UP!

You are the reason we are having this discussion and the need for a top ten list.
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What's wrong is there may be someone waiting to go up, but they see you IDIOTS driving sideways across the hill. I had that happen to me, and had to sit and wait before I could safely proceed up the hill the CORRECT way...which is STRAIGHT UP! Hills are to be climbed, not driven across. How much more clear can you get than ONE-WAY, which is UP!

You are the reason we are having this discussion and the need for a top ten list.
No, I am not the reason, I have never been involved in an accident at the dunes nor have I been involved in a near miss. Nice try though.

I follow the rules, I have done "rainbows" on the hill and even had discussions with the DNR about it and he never said to me it was a problem at all.

Why don't we just paint some lines on the dunes, put up some cones and follow each other around in a straight line?

I have an idea, use common sense, don't just assume the other guy knows where you are going, drive defensively, pay attention to others, don't do stupid shit in high traffic areas, etc.
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ya i was at the top of test hill last year talking to my brother he pulled up next to me and some prick was coming straight up behind us (we were way at the far end) and would come straight up behind us an just whip it around and did it about 8 more time
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Last time I read the signs at test hill it said no turning around once cresting the hill or something to that effect. As for side hilling use your head and be considerate of others. I know that when I go to climb test I check the what others are doing and am always aware of what is going on around me so I can take evasive action if necessary. As for the idiots that whip u-turns on the hill and spray sand on me that is just something you have to put up with if you are going to go there. I only go once or twice a year now because of all the inconsiderate people out there who don't drive safe and do stupid things.
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Jesus. Sounds like a death trap. I am scared to go now
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Maybe you should clarify?

I would agree that you absolutely should not come up the back side of test hill under no circumstances, and you should also be smart when it comes to parking.

But whats wrong with doing some u-turns on the face of the hill if you check out the traffic situation? or maybe do some side hilling?

I agree. Not a big deal at all on low traffic days. Doing U-turns in the middle of the week is not a problem. But, use common sense and don't do it on high traffic days. Sure there are those idiots that want to spray sand but that's because they are coming too close, which is a whole nother subject. Personally I don't think this should be in the top ten.
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Interesting discussion going on here, looks like most of the discussion is on courtesy not accident prevention.
I have a few, and these are related to actual incidents I have witnessed.
1: Speed Kills - keep your vehicle under control at all times. Too many people driving past their skills and abilities
2: Maintain safe distances - riding on the tail of or directly beside some one doesn't offer time to manuver if they change direction
3: Be observant of other vehicles - Related to the above statement
4: Wear proper safety equipment - Pads, riding clothes, etc. (observed too many shorts and tennis shoes on quads.
5: Maintain control - wheelies and jumping in high traffic areas of the dunes.

I would be interested in seeing the actual accident investigation data. That would identify activities that tend to cause accidents.
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don't cut across the drag strip while racing is in progress, saw a guy killed a couple years ago attempting to cut across when his dirtbike was struck by a blazer racing.
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I would be interested in seeing the actual accident investigation data. That would identify activities that tend to cause accidents.
I'll see what Pete's got. No sense trying to institute new restrictions that won't fix problems that they've got.
Some of the suggestions, while worthwhile, would be diffficult to put on a sign that has to be read in less than 5 seconds traveling @ 20 MPH.:tonka:
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I'm sure this is already happening, I know the state compiles this type of stats. I know I'll get hammered by saying this but how about requiring ORV safety certificates for ATV riders?( son has had his since he was 12)
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