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Old June 18th, 2010, 08:27 AM   #81
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Thanks for the link, that helps alot. JK? takeoffs. You gotta remember, I'm an old school classic hotrod type of guy, this is my first foray into 4X4's, I may not get the lingo all the time. I bought this Cherokee off Ebay a couple of years ago and it was supposed to be running, but the guy screwed me and the motor and trans was shot. It sat around in the weeds for a couple of years, I almost took it to the junk yard a couple of times. I have a 66 impala that I am doing a frame off resto, and I also had an extra fresh 350 sitting in the garage. I got the bright idea of using the cast off parts of my 66 build to put this thing together. So i took the 350 out of the garage and put the top end of the 400 sb from the impala on it, and the 350 tranny from the 66 (i'm putting a 4 speed in her) and did some research and found out I could stuff it into the Jeep reletively easy and resurect the beast. So I'm learning alot about 4X4's along the way. I gotta tell you, I'm starting to like it, it looks like alot of fun. I really apprectiate all the info.
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Old June 18th, 2010, 04:07 PM   #82
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JK is the newest Wrangler style. 2 and 4 door, 07 up I believe.

Here is a good site that's strictly XJ. http://www.naxja.org/forum/

It's a fun thing, just watch out. It will turn into a epic money pit because you want to change or upgrade things not to mention breaking parts if you aren't kind to the gas pedal. It can be a challenge doing what some people say can't be done. There was a guy that had a big block in his XJ. Insane.
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Old June 19th, 2010, 11:59 AM   #83
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Yea, I found that site already. Good info but haven't found too much on this type of build. Lots of upgrades on newer Jeeps, but no V8 swap info.
I tried to upload some pics but can't figure it out. How do I upload photos to this thread?
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Old June 19th, 2010, 12:07 PM   #84
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You can start your own build thread and put the pics up there for all to see.

Here is one way to post pics here.
http://www.greatlakes4x4.com/showthread.php?t=169882

The one I use is put my pics on Photobucket and copy the IMG tag and put it on my posts here.
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Old June 20th, 2010, 07:05 PM   #85
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Nice start. Looks like mine before I cleaned everything up.
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Old July 16th, 2010, 01:08 PM   #87
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Hey man, I am installing the 350 as we speak. I am having trouble getting it to fit. I got the tranny rebuilt and upgraded to 4X4 specs. Got the novak motor mounts, but can't get the motor low enough to fit into the holes. I thought the site said you can retain your original linkage. I don't think the tranny is going to fit with that linkage bracket on top of the tunnel. Do I need to cut that out of there?
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The pivot bracket on the front of the tunnel was cut out, it got in the way and I didn't need it. I went with a Lokar universal shift rod that works perfect with the OE shifter. You can see pics of it in this thread.

I'm not sure on the motor mounts, I reworked my own. But you could try loosening the mount bolts a bit where they mount to the frame rail then wiggle til it fits.

On my project note, I'm going with shock extensions up front to get some shock travel back and relocating the rear shock mounts on the diff for the same reason.

My plans changed a bit on the rear shaft. To use my current shaft I would have to drop my trans mount, crossmember and rework all the various shift linkage as well as dropping some coin into a new ignition system. The reason is it dosen't drop enough and if the rear would hand, it's most likely the tailshaft of the t-case would break. In dropping the t-case, it would put my HEI in the firewall meaning I would need a smaller set up. My new plan is getting a c/v-double cardon shaft built for a slip yoke t-case. I would be money ahead since it would eventually be needed anyway if I decide to lift if more.

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Yea, I ended up cutting out the pivot bracket. I will also go with the lokar shift linkage. I finally got the motor mounted but it was alot of f-ing work. I would tell anyone not to go with the Novak motor mounts, they are poorly designed. Almost impossible to get the motor in. It took me two days just to get the motor mounted and I finally ended up having to modify the mounts to make it work. I am also going with an HEI distributor. Are you telling me that it won't work if I get the proper engine geometry set-up? Is there enough room on the firewall for it? I'll just cut it out if I have to. I really want that HEI distributor. I was going to do the trans mount tomorrow.
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When I built the mounts, I had everything so it wouldn't move and had the trans about a inch from the floor, which is probably why I'm going to have to either mod everything again or get a custom shaft made and that will allow me to lift it more down the road. Your Novak mounts may put the engine forward and down from where mine is at. I wanted to avoid the upper control arms from hitting the mounts. When I put the coil spacers in, I also put in bump stop extension to make sure that don't happen.

Bottom line is, you won't know til you put everything together weather you need further mods to make everything work smooth. The life of a project.
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Old July 17th, 2010, 02:25 PM   #91
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The heart of the Beast is in!!!!! After alot of hard work and headaches. Don't ever get the Novak motor mounts. I have thought of a name for my project. Drth V8r. I am going to paint the whole thing flat black, rims, bumpers, everything. I saw a suburban while I was out in california last week that was painted that way and it was very cool. Started to take the top end off the other motor to swap it over. Will take the heads down and get rebuilt. I hope the HEI fits. You made me nervous now. Here are some pics.
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Old July 17th, 2010, 02:36 PM   #92
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Nice theme, it's gonna be a hot box in the summer. From the looks of things, you're mounts are in about the same place as mine. So, the HEI should clear. It depends how low your trans is mounted.
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Old July 18th, 2010, 05:43 AM   #93
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Not with A/C! I am going to try to save the A/C unit. My son threw away the old compressor when he tore down the 2.8 and took it to the junk yard. It probably wasn't any good anyway, but now I have to line up a new one. Right now I just have the tranny resting on the stock crossmember till I figure out a mount. It looks about right, but when I look at the angle back to the axle, it seems a bit too high. Too much of an angle. Can't really tell until I get the t-case on. What did you do for a tranny mount?
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I'm using the stock crossmember and trans mount. I built an adapter to go from the Jeep mount to the Chevy trans. It actually works nice. I also moved the crossmember back a couple inches too.

I thought about keeping my a/c, but without some major rework there is no place to mount the compressor. I might go with a Vintage Air system if things go well.
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could you post a pic of you trans mount? or if you want send it to cmarr6@yahoo.com
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I'll get pics in a couple days.
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Old July 23rd, 2010, 06:42 PM   #97
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Here is the adapter I built to go from the Jeep trans mount to the S-10 trans.



And my high dollar shock extensions. My shocks are good yet, so these will work dandy.



Looks like I'm going to drop the trans a fuzz to get the driveshaft to lay where I want it when it hangs. Ahh, more lo-buck moves.
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Old July 26th, 2010, 09:42 AM   #98
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Nice, thanks for the pics. I was looking at getting the trans mount from Novak but if seem to me my tranny is already too high. I have it just resting on the bare crossmember. I took all the stock mounting brackets and stuff off and it is just resting on the tranny tailpiece. If I put in a mount, it looks like it will lift it another couple of inches at least. I have room to lift it higher, but the angle back to the differential looks pretty steep. How much of an angle can I get away with?
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I'm not sure what the numbers are, but you should be a couple degrees down on the pinion compared to the t-case end to figure in axle wrap. I have no idea what mine is, I'm just working things so they work and not go into a bind anywhere. I might check angles when I'm done. Don't want numbers to scare me or throw me off.

I did move the trans crossmember back a couple inches then drilled new holes in the rails for it. Also used a small holesaw on the side so I could drop bolts in.
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I ordered the tranny mount from Novak. I think it will work out fine. I jacked my tranny up a couple of inches to see what it looked like and just eye balling it, it looks good. I have been putting the motor together the last couple of weeks and things are starting to look pretty good. I will post a couple of pics. One thing I am worried about is exhaust clearance on the drivers side. After putting the oil filter in it looks like it will be pretty tight getting an exhaust pipe out through that side, especially after the front drive shaft is installed. Do you have an issue with that?
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