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Old March 15th, 2008, 02:13 PM   #1
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well I jumped the ship over to E-85 today

stoped into auto zone and picked up a exter fuel filter and then ran over to Myjer to filled up my big pig with E-85 at $2.92 /gal that is cheeper than putting gas in my Taco
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Does it affect the power?
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Old March 15th, 2008, 02:37 PM   #3
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I have heard the mileage drops also when using E85, has anyone noticed it? I cannot run it anyway, regular stuff for me....at least until I can get that front axle gearbox hooked to my crankshaft and the add the flux capacitor.
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Old March 15th, 2008, 02:40 PM   #4
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I have heard the mileage drops also when using E85, has anyone noticed it? I cannot run it anyway, regular stuff for me....at least until I can get that front axle gearbox hooked to my crankshaft and the add the flux capacitor.
I heard e-85 will void the warranty on the flux capacitor.
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Old March 15th, 2008, 02:44 PM   #5
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I have heard the mileage drops also when using E85, has anyone noticed it? I cannot run it anyway, regular stuff for me....at least until I can get that front axle gearbox hooked to my crankshaft and the add the flux capacitor.
Yes, drops it around 30%, so you end up paying more money for gas, even at that 2.95...
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Old March 15th, 2008, 02:44 PM   #6
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I have heard the mileage drops also when using E85, has anyone noticed it? I cannot run it anyway, regular stuff for me....at least until I can get that front axle gearbox hooked to my crankshaft and the add the flux capacitor.
i noticed the mileage drop just a bit but. it the price per gal more than makes up for it. would love it if i could make the jeep run on it. and it comes from usa:
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only way to actually get better mileage from E-85 is to turn the ignition timing up more. E-85 is roughly 100-105 octane, so you can advance the timing alot more then on 87 octane.
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Yes, drops it around 30%, so you end up paying more money for gas, even at that 2.95...
I have heard that too.
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Old March 15th, 2008, 03:02 PM   #9
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and it comes from usa:
I think the less we use of foreign oil the better.

I heard we were sending all the oil from Alaska to Japan. Is that true?
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i want to run E85..kind of a dumb question but what is needed to run it? and how would i go about doing that?
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i want to run E85..kind of a dumb question but what is needed to run it? and how would i go about doing that?
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That seems like a lot of work that you could do by putting a programmer to your car or truck. I just switched back to an ethanol blend for my XJ. In Iowa we have something in between regular gas and E85. They list it as midgrade out here and charge $.20/gal less for it. So far I haven't seen a down side to it aside from a 2mpg drop in my highway driving.
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well.... being a fuel engineer I get to dable in this stuff every day.... To run E-85, it takes much more then just putting a few wires in series with your injectors....

E-85 is a more corrosive fuel then gasoline. It will eat away at things such as certain plastics, level sender cards, electrical harnesses within the tank, hoses etc.... if you don't know what you are doing, and don't have the means to find out the details on your components, don't do it....

I have an E-85 Impala and I never run E-85. Why? cuase its roughly only $0.30 less here in the Detroit area then gasoline. It doesn't work out. When I first picked up the impala I ran 4 tank fulls of E85 to check out the mileage.... I would get roughly 50-60 miles less per tank then what I would with gasoline. However, in the Impala, as noted before, it checks for the alcohol level in the fuel and adjusts the timing accordingly....

Check ot these links...
http://www.eere.energy.gov/cleanciti...g.html#webcast - might not be present anymore.... basically was a guy from GM that went to the EPA and gave a rpeentation about a year ago about E85 and what manufactures do to certify their vehicles and... what E85 does to them...

http://theserviceadvisor.com/octane.htm

Bio-diesel on the other hand isn't quite as bad as wht can come with E-85 but it also has its issues....

One thing to note is that there is an open mandate that any gasoline that you use right now may contain E10, and they don't have to tell you. If it contains more then that they do. Unless you live in Minnesota, they have a mndate for E20, which I am lead to believe is actually more corrosive then E85.... thats what the whole cuntry was to goto but it was recently shot down, we will see if it gets passed on a retification soon....
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well.... being a fuel engineer I get to dable in this stuff every day.... To run E-85, it takes much more then just putting a few wires in series with your injectors....

E-85 is a more corrosive fuel then gasoline. It will eat away at things such as certain plastics, level sender cards, electrical harnesses within the tank, hoses etc.... if you don't know what you are doing, and don't have the means to find out the details on your components, don't do it....

I have an E-85 Impala and I never run E-85. Why? cuase its roughly only $0.30 less here in the Detroit area then gasoline. It doesn't work out. When I first picked up the impala I ran 4 tank fulls of E85 to check out the mileage.... I would get roughly 50-60 miles less per tank then what I would with gasoline. However, in the Impala, as noted before, it checks for the alcohol level in the fuel and adjusts the timing accordingly....

Check ot these links...
http://www.eere.energy.gov/cleanciti...g.html#webcast - might not be present anymore.... basically was a guy from GM that went to the EPA and gave a rpeentation about a year ago about E85 and what manufactures do to certify their vehicles and... what E85 does to them...

http://theserviceadvisor.com/octane.htm

Bio-diesel on the other hand isn't quite as bad as wht can come with E-85 but it also has its issues....

One thing to note is that there is an open mandate that any gasoline that you use right now may contain E10, and they don't have to tell you. If it contains more then that they do. Unless you live in Minnesota, they have a mndate for E20, which I am lead to believe is actually more corrosive then E85.... thats what the whole cuntry was to goto but it was recently shot down, we will see if it gets passed on a retification soon....

So they LIE on this page? ...

http://www.change2e85.com/servlet/Page?template=Myths

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1. E85 Ethanol is corrosive

Yes ethanol is corrosive, but not very much. Gasoline is corrosive too. Ethanol is biodegradable in water. So it has a tendency to contain and attract water. It is not the corrosive properties of ethanol that can cause damage to your vehicle; it is the water which can rust a vehicle’s fuel system from the inside out. Today’s vehicles (since mid 1980s) have fuel systems which are made to withstand corrosive motor fuels and rust from water. Also today’s distilling processes are superior to way back when. We now have better techniques for drying out ethanol or reducing the water content.

On side note, gas contains water too. Ever hear of dry gas?

2. If I put E85 in my gas tank, it will eat it away.

If your car was built in the old days, it was had a lead coated, steel tank. The water in ethanol would cause the tank to rust from the inside out. The government mandated that all gas in the USA contain 10% ethanol to help reduce tail pipe emissions. In the 1980s, automakers made vehicles with fuel systems to be ethanol and rust tolerant. Gas tanks began to contain polymers and Teflon which are extremely durable.

6. E85 will eat my rubber fuel lines.

This is another myth from the old days. Rubber technology has significantly advanced so the concerns of a 20 year old car or newer having issues like this are extremely rare. Plus the 15% gas will help keep lines lubricated.

7. E85 will destroy my fuel pump.

E85 won’t destroy your fuel pump. If you convert a high mileage vehicle to Flex Fuel, the E85 will cause the sediment in the gas tank to dissolve and then get sucked up by the fuel pump. It is believed that this sediment may shorten the life of the pump of your higher mileage vehicle (100,000+). Fuel pumps are not expensive to replace. After thousands of conversion kits sold, we have had our first report of a failed fuel pump. The vehicle was a 1994 Audi with 200,000 miles on it. It was the original fuel pump. The owner blamed E85. His mechanic said it was just time. A fuel pump that lasted this long is impressive.

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It is true. Cars that are able to run E85 do have different tankes,senders,pumps,filters,etc.
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I'm not an enviro-nazi, but I hear E85 is worse for the environment than gasoline? Found a new article just recently on that.
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My 14 yr old daughter is currently developing E45 in her school science class. Conversion kit involves 6 hamsters, 1 spool of 18 gauge wire, and a lock of Boggin Boys hair. It gets 2 miles to the gallon, and if you complain about it, it tells you to fukc off.
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My 14 yr old daughter is currently developing E45 in her school science class. Conversion kit involves 6 hamsters, 1 spool of 18 gauge wire, and a lock of Boggin Boys hair. It gets 2 miles to the gallon, and if you complain about it, it tells you to fukc off.
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no.... I am not going to call this report a lie.... but, if they chose the right system, perhaps without their knowledge, they could get lucky.... but I have personally seen many reports showing what E-85 does to fuel components.

Is gasoline corrosive? yes.... BUT we have many many many years of experience working with it. It reacts differently to the materials used in gasoline. Some materials react the same. If they just put the E85 in their vehicle and ran it without doing a full tear down after X,XXX miles then how would they know what the effects are??????
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