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Old March 14th, 2008, 07:11 AM   #41
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All our coal in Lansing comes in from Wyoming via the BN (Burlington) to the CN (Canadian National). 12,500 tons per 120 car set. It would take about 315 trucks to haul one train load.

I did read yesterday that railroads have spent about $10 B in the past couple years to rebuild or improve rail infrastructure and they have another $12 B allocated for the next few years. If only we could get the light rail systems built along our interstate highway system. Imagine a mag-lev train on a route from Montreal to Toronto to Detroit (or Boston to NYC to Pittsburg to Cleveland to Detroit) to Chicago to St. Louis to Denver to LA, with branches off that to all the major metro areas of the US. The one I rode in Shanghai hit 400 km/hr. That would reduce a lot of air travel.
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Old March 14th, 2008, 07:29 AM   #42
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just filled for 3.89 last night.....yes it sucks, but I would rather run the diesel than a gasser.

not to mention even with diesel ~60 cents/gallon higher than gas, it costs about the same to operate a 3/4 ton diesel as it does a 3/4 ton gasser.
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Old March 14th, 2008, 07:36 AM   #43
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just filled for 3.89 last night.....yes it sucks, but I would rather run the diesel than a gasser.

not to mention even with diesel ~60 cents/gallon higher than gas, it costs about the same to operate a 3/4 ton diesel as it does a 3/4 ton gasser.
For my Dodge, I actually figured the break even point to be about a dollar a gallon more for diesel (in the range of prices we have currently). At that point it would be would start to be cheaper to drive the gas truck over the diesel. That is comparing to my parents 3/4 ton 6.0L Suburban.
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Old March 14th, 2008, 07:38 AM   #44
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We are actually thinking about buying a Mini Cooper or something small that gets close to 40mpg so we can park the 3500 and keep it mainly for a towrig.
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Old March 14th, 2008, 07:49 AM   #45
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Diesel prices will start going down in mid-spring. Refineries will stop making heating oil, as they do every winter. Historically, diesel prices are high in winter as a result. I expect that summer prices of diesel will closely match regular unleaded.

My VW TDI routinely gets a $54 tank full (once/week). My fuel economy is roughly 49 in winter (winter blend diesel) and 52 mpg in summer - depending on how heavy my right foot is. Primarily highway driving (I-75). Unless diesel gets to $5.25, it will still be more economical for me to drive a diesel (unless I start pedaling).
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Old March 14th, 2008, 07:54 AM   #46
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All our coal in Lansing comes in from Wyoming via the BN (Burlington) to the CN (Canadian National). 12,500 tons per 120 car set. It would take about 315 trucks to haul one train load.

I did read yesterday that railroads have spent about $10 B in the past couple years to rebuild or improve rail infrastructure and they have another $12 B allocated for the next few years. If only we could get the light rail systems built along our interstate highway system. Imagine a mag-lev train on a route from Montreal to Toronto to Detroit (or Boston to NYC to Pittsburg to Cleveland to Detroit) to Chicago to St. Louis to Denver to LA, with branches off that to all the major metro areas of the US. The one I rode in Shanghai hit 400 km/hr. That would reduce a lot of air travel.


Thats the key really is reducing the wasteful uses of fuel. Not including recreational, just impractical uses. Increase shipped cargo and reduce air cargo, increase light rail commuting and decrease highway travel and air travel. The quantities used in these areas would substantially lower the demand for oil and thus gas/diesel prices.

Also, anyone know the status of alternative fuel research for jet engines and commercial trucks/semis?
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Old March 14th, 2008, 08:13 AM   #47
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Do you all absolutely need diesel trucks? If not, quit the bitching. I can't stand listening to people bitch that a DD getting under 30 mpg is such a problem. Fuel is still cheap here.

Yes, I own a 3/4 ton diesel. I understand what it costs to own and generally only use it to tow/haul.
Well some people cant afford multiple vehicles. Maybe in the future I will be able to have a tow rig, a trail rig and a Chevy Aveo to drive around, but I dont see that happen any time soon.

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all the more reason this country's rail system needs to be improved.
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CSX can move one ton of freight 422 miles on a gallon of fuel.
EDIT: I see you do business with them.

Have you tried to do business with them recently? Dealing with the fucking railroads is ridiculous. They have a monopoly between the UP and BN from west coast to chicago, and all over the south. Then CPRS, CSX, and CN beyond chicago headed east. You wanna talk about gettin pounded in the ass, try to have to do business with them.....:miff:

Fuel efficient yes, cost efficient perhaps currently but less and less each day because they edge up and up with no concern to customer service or satisfaction.

We shouldn't invest a penny in the rail system. They make money hand over fist each year, and do only the nessesities in most instances in regards to improvements.

The railroads were far better when they valued the business you give them. Now they can give 2 shits less in most cases.
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Old March 14th, 2008, 08:20 AM   #49
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Have you tried to do business with them recently? Dealing with the fucking railroads is ridiculous. They have a monopoly between the UP and BN from west coast to chicago, and all over the south. Then CPRS, CSX, and CN beyond chicago headed east. You wanna talk about gettin pounded in the ass, try to have to do business with them.....:miff:

Fuel efficient yes, cost efficient perhaps currently but less and less each day because they edge up and up with no concern to customer service or satisfaction.

We shouldn't invest a penny in the rail system. They make money hand over fist each year, and do only the nessesities in most instances in regards to improvements.

The railroads were far better when they valued the business you give them. Now they can give 2 shits less in most cases.

They've gotten that way over many years of neglect from the government. This country has pushed trucks and the highway system for so many years the railroads did not get the attention they deserve and as such companies struggled and got bought out until you have the state you have now. Investing and subsidizing the railroads will inspire growth and perhaps more rail companies.
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Well some people cant afford multiple vehicles. Maybe in the future I will be able to have a tow rig, a trail rig and a Chevy Aveo to drive around, but I dont see that happen any time soon.
And you must need a trail rig, right? How many times do people have to point out this isn't a cheap hobby and that none us actually need to go wheeling. If you can't afford it, find a new job.
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Old March 14th, 2008, 08:39 AM   #51
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I don't deal with them directly, but we move a couple million tons of a coal a year thru them.

The railroads got complacent and began to fall apart because they were granted monopoly power by the government. Why invest when you can do what you want, when you want, how you want, and charge what you want for it. The best thing that could happen would be to abolish some of the surface transportation laws that have protected railroads for a very long time.
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Old March 14th, 2008, 08:41 AM   #52
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You can do things to help fuel costs on a person level, but unfortunatly it is very hard to have a nation effect unless everyone starts doing it.

I have done things to help with impact of fuel costs; Car Pool to work with Daryl, Arrange all of our errands at one time instead of multiple trips, Purchasing a two place hauler, Run Bio fuel when ever available, and started staying home more :)

I only live 4 miles from work, so fortunatly I only need to fill up about every 10 days. Which works out to about $45-50 a week in fuel. But cutting back on little things can make a large effect with your pocket book.
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Old March 14th, 2008, 08:51 AM   #53
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Old March 14th, 2008, 09:19 AM   #54
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well we are heading into another depression. this is not because of bush it is becuase of every president and congress over the last 30 years. politicians are lazy they prefer to waste time on pointless governing instead of focusing on the real issues. they get paid and could care less who is suffering. that is too much work. most politicians are there to collect a paycheck to sustain their way of life. they do not fall under the category of taking pride in working hard.

the government has become too powerful. the government could care less about it's domestic population. the government could give a shit if we were forced to pay $9 a gallon they still would not do anything. our government will let us rot until it affects them on a personal level. do not hope for a fuel cost reduction it's only going up.

the government knows that the majority of the population in this country are lazy fucks who won't do anything no matter how bad it gets. the population needs to get up and take action. until that happens it will only get worse.

the oil companies know their petroleum days are numbered. with all the push for alternative fuels they are going to soak us now out of fear of losing money in the future.
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Cost me $177 to fill up my Excursion yesterday at 4.09 a gal
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And you must need a trail rig, right? How many times do people have to point out this isn't a cheap hobby and that none us actually need to go wheeling. If you can't afford it, find a new job.
Your a douche. Try to run more people from the sport, the less people we have in this sport the less we have fighting to keep trails open. Good luck enjoying the high gas prices in your wheeling rig that rots in your driveway. This is a sport EVERYONE can enjoy.

Gas prices aren't only f'in with our sport they are driving up the prices of EVERYTHING you buy daily, hell my fuel bill back and forth to work is triple what it was 3 years ago. A tractor trailer on average gets about 8mpg of diesel -- all that gets passed on to you too. I can't say that my wages have kept up either.

BTW it is a cheap hobby for those of us that don't pound the shit out of our rigs when we are on the trail. I can count on one hand how many tragic breaks I have had (IE more then a couple hundred dollar fix).
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Looking forward to our trip to Kentucky over easter @ 15-16 mpg.
Where you headed and . . .

that I make lots of money


Just kidding. . . I did drive the truck today because of the rain but if it's sunny out then the Motorcycle will be on the road
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