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Old March 4th, 2008, 02:16 AM   #21
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I have worked for some major Tier One suppliers of automotive parts and they all hired me on the spot for over $20 an hour...it is usually those little mom and pop shops that what to hire a skilled trade worker for $12 an hour that have you go through all that bullshit 3 interview process. I have no problem finding a job if I need to and I can back my bullshit up with two journeyman’s cards. PS: I am not the one looking for the job here...know why? Because I have mastered the interview process!

lying isn't "mastery." It's dishonesty, and you never know when you'll get caught, or where else in your career it will bite you in the ass.

I've found that people are much more likely to respect you if you're honest with them (especially brutally so). You'll get further telling them the hard truth first, rather than blowing smoke up their asses and being burned for it later.
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Old March 4th, 2008, 02:16 AM   #22
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I have worked for some major Tier One suppliers of automotive parts and they all hired me on the spot for over $20 an hour...it is usually those little mom and pop shops that what to hire a skilled trade worker for $12 an hour that have you go through all that bullshit 3 interview process. I have no problem finding a job if I need to and I can back my bullshit up with two journeyman’s cards. PS: I am not the one looking for the job here...know why? Because I have mastered the interview process!

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x2 whatever you do, don't lie. You ruin your reputation and future chances of ever being employed there. What seems to work pretty well is having a flexible resume, in which you tailor it to the position and company you're applying at. Basically, draw more attention to the skills on your resume that apply to that position or company.

Regarding references, I personally would heavily advise against "references available upon request" on any resume. It's very much implicit. If a company's going to want references, they'll ask you, regardless of whether that statement is on your resume. You're really just wasting space. If your references are such heavyweights that it's going to make the difference during the first review of your resume, just send them along with your resume in the first place.

I wouldn't use people at your existing job for references unless you're sure it won't get you fired. Co-workers at the same level as you that you can trust are fine, but superiors aren't the best idea by any means.
Thats all sound advice if you can go back in time and interview for a job in the 1950's...like I said it is a dog eat dog world right now. I am an honest person and dont lie to family and friends but when it comes time to get a job I am the biggest meanest pitbull you ever seen in the dog eat dog world and will do or say what ever I have to in order to land a good position.
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I guess it all comes down to doing what ever you feel you need to do to land your job...if you want to tell the truth great, if you need to fib alittle to get it, so be it! I wish you luck and I hope you get the position you want...just remember there are probably 200 other people going after the same job.

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Oh I am sorry I must have hit a sore spot...let me guess you are one of those little mom and pop shops that pay skilled trades $12 an hour huh? And temps or mexicans do everthing else!

I guess it all comes down to doing what ever you feel you need to do to land your job...if you want to tell the truth great, if you need to fib alittle to get it, so be it! I wish you luck and I hope you get the position you want...just remember there are probably 200 other people going after the same job.
Quit being so cocky, there are plenty of people on here who make lots more than you do, and they don't have to lie to do it. Nor do they try to demean those who don't lie, and have some self respect.
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I am sorry...I did not mean to offend you! It is just real hard to get a decent paying job in mich right now and all I am trying to say is you have to do what you have to do. If you dont someone else will and I have learned from real world experience that they will be the one to land the job.

To the original poster...like I said do what ever you are comfortable with. I have also learned that it can realy hurt your chances if you are squirming in your chair because you are uncomfortable while being interviewed...good luck and I hope you get the job you are after!

PS: Again sorry I made that comment schweeb and I edited post! Cant edit your quote though!

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This is a simple question with a simple answer....LIE!!!
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Give them your buddies cell phone numbers and have them give you a great reference...works everytime!
How does your buddy know how to answer the phone? "UH, hello" doesn't cut it if he's supposed to be a business

It is a dog eat dog world as far as jobs go in Michigan right now. It is not what you know or your skills that will land you a job right now...it is who you know and how well you can bullshit your way through the interview.
Right. HR people NEVER can tell BS.

I have been turned down jobs in the past only to find out the company hired some douche bag with half my knowledge...why? Because he could bullshit better than me! Study up on your bullshittin abilities, lie you ass off (Be prepared to back up lies) incase they call bullshit (Buddies cell #) and you know how to do everything they ask. If they ask if you know how to shit a rainbow colored turd you say (Yes I have done that a million times) most companies will show you exactly how they want you to create that rainbow colored turd anyways even if you done it a million times.
And what if they decide to call a rainbow colored turd "Multi-refractory offal"? If you don't know what the interviewer is talking about, they will.

PS: All of the best paying jobs I ever had (Over $20 an hour) have hired me on the spot without even calling past employers or checking references!!!
Sounds more like luck of the draw. Or, right place at the right time
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I have worked for some major Tier One suppliers of automotive parts and they all hired me on the spot for over $20 an hour...it is usually those little mom and pop shops that what to hire a skilled trade worker for $12 an hour that have you go through all that bullshit 3 interview process. I have no problem finding a job if I need to and I can back my bullshit up with two journeyman’s cards. If you have all this experience and knowledge, why BS? Unless your work habits are poorPS: I am not the one looking for the job here...know why? Because I have mastered the interview process!
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First of all....it was a simple question....I find it amazing that simple questions get so heated!

1st "references available upon request" is standard verbiage on resumes and will not even raise an eyebrow

2nd never lie, but do be confident in your abilities and what you can bring to the table. Too many times people can't sing their own praises and will end up getting passed over or a lower salary than they deserve. Be careful...there is a fine line between confidence and cockiness...tread carefully.

Come prepared with something that you can refer to so that you make sure you have discussed all of your skills and covered any questions that you may have about the position.

In many cases, as previously stated, they will not call your references at all. If you come across honestly and can articulate your skills, they may feel it is not necessary.

Additionally, Michigan is an "at will" state which means they can let you go for any reason anyway.

You are obvious consciencious about your job and concerned about your current relationships with your managers. Go with your gut and never do anything that you will regret later.

p.s. for all the guys out there that are now making the gaging noise...whatever!
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I have worked for some major Tier One suppliers of automotive parts and they all hired me on the spot for over $20 an hour...it is usually those little mom and pop shops that what to hire a skilled trade worker for $12 an hour that have you go through all that bullshit 3 interview process. I have no problem finding a job if I need to and I can back my bullshit up with two journeyman’s cards. PS: I am not the one looking for the job here...know why? Because I have mastered the interview process!
Wow! A whole $20 an hour? In Michigan? No way! :tonka: You go with those TWO journeyman's cards. Thanks, but I'll stick to my bachelor's degree and master's degree and nearly 2.5x your paycheck.

Oh, yeah. I've never had a problem getting a job either. I have the skills I need to land a very high paying job whenever I need to find one. I have never lied on my resume, in an interview, or had false references. A good employer will see right thru that crap. But I guess if all you are hiring is a $20/hour position, it probably isn't worth paying for the full background check.
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Old March 4th, 2008, 06:36 PM   #32
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Tell them you need a letter of recommendation to turn in to your parole officer....
Saying you're a diligent worker, always on time, highly qualified, and well skilled,yadda yadda yah.
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How about find some other references if by asking your current supervisors might lead to your dismissal. Trusted co-worker that could vouch for you? Teacher? Professor? Supervisor from a previous job?

Or you could have a conversation with your supervisor to feel them out. For example, you could ask them if they could live anywhere, where would it be? Then after they tell you, you tell them that you'd like to live and work in (insert place here). Or ask them if they could do anything for a living what would it be, then when they tell you, you can inform them that it's your dream to do whatever. If they seem receptive to your goals then ask them if they could help you out by giving you a reference.

Another option is after an interview tell the prospective employer that your current employer doesn't know you are looking for a new job; and that if they did you might get fired and that's why you don't have any references from your current employer.
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