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Old March 3rd, 2008, 06:19 PM   #1
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Here's the question...

If you are currently looking for a new job and have to send out resumes, how do you ask someone you are currently working with for a reference?

I have two supervisors that would be awesome to put on the resume, but I don't know how to ask them, or tell them I'm looking for a new job?

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Old March 3rd, 2008, 06:30 PM   #2
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i would just say i got a job offer i cant pass up and would be if i could use you as a reference.
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Old March 3rd, 2008, 06:30 PM   #3
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it would really depend on were you work, at my company there is a strict no references policy, they even make the supervisors sign a paper that says they wont do it.
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i would just say i got a job offer i cant pass up and would be if i could use you as a reference.
Normally, you need the references way before you get the job offer...
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I would like to hear from Stevo or Scooter on this matter.
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Normally, you need the references way before you get the job offer...
true but that would just be aquick and easy way to let them know youre looking for a job
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Do not put references on the resume. Let them consider your skills and abilities, if you are under consideration for the position they will ask for references. You can provide them at that time.
As for the references, if the people are Ok with you let them know you are looking and would like to use them as reference. If they are not "ok" I would not ask until the latest possible moment.
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Normally, you need the references way before you get the job offer...
true but that would just be a quick and easy way to let them know youre looking for a job
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let them know youa re looking for a job and chances are your search will intensify that very second.
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let them know youa re looking for a job and chances are your search will intensify that very second.
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I have always put "References available on request" on my Resumes. When I took my current job, my old boss knew I was leaving for something in my field (that job wasn't), and was really cool about it.
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let them know youa re looking for a job and chances are your search will intensify that very second.

This is what I am afraid of. I'm looking, but not looking too hard at the moment. I just want something closer to home. I've never heard of "references availably upon request." From what I have heard that's a sure way to get your resume put into the "call back last" pile.
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Michigan is an at will employment state.

If you ask your supervisor about a reference for a different job. You maybe out of a job.
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This is what I am afraid of. I'm looking, but not looking too hard at the moment. I just want something closer to home. I've never heard of "references availably upon request." From what I have heard that's a sure way to get your resume put into the "call back last" pile.
Eh, dunno about that...

I'm currently still in school, everything I've heard and read on resumes states to use 'available upon request'.....

I've never put them on my resume, and I've got decent jobs with no issue at all (entry level though, same with my job lined up for after school obviously, don't know how that affects it)....granted I'm not 'out in the job force,' but I would assume putting references on your resume merely wastes space that could otherwise be used for touting your skills......at least thats what I've heard/been told and it's worked for me thus far
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Jobs usually come looking for me....

Not bragging, but in my line of work shops will steal employees from each other.

Especially the ones that can weld, fab, build electrical panels, build hydraulic and pneumatic systems, design controls, and troubleshoot the entire machine.

I've seen guys get job offers in the customer's plant while the machine was being set up. My current job was a standing offer to me for the last 5 years.

If your supervisors know you are very good at what you do, they also know that you will be testing the waters, or even receiving offers. If all you are after is more money, this can work to your advantage if they think you will leave.

Just remember, be sure you DO have someplace else to go in case they call your bluff...
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That or you could get in the same place I am.Getting a bad reference.I worked at my old place for 9.5 years.No problems at all.Loved my job.The last 6 months sucked.Got fired by the new management and now I get a shit reference.Fawk em.I like my new job, and should be making more soon.
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I like to think that my employees are honest with me. I tell them, that if something better comes along, take it. But don't ask me to lie for you. If your a good worker I'd be more than happy to give you a good ref. I don't like to see my good workers leave but, if they do, so be it. Be up front with your supervisor, if you can. I'm sure he or she will have alot more respect for you if you do. I know that in the interview process, I look at your referances. And I ask if there up to date.
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This is a simple question with a simple answer....LIE!!!

Give them your buddies cell phone numbers and have them give you a great reference...works everytime!

It is a dog eat dog world as far as jobs go in Michigan right now. It is not what you know or your skills that will land you a job right now...it is who you know and how well you can bullshit your way through the interview.

I have been turned down jobs in the past only to find out the company hired some douche bag with half my knowledge...why? Because he could bullshit better than me! Study up on your bullshittin abilities, lie you ass off (Be prepared to back up lies) incase they call bullshit (Buddies cell #) and you know how to do everything they ask. If they ask if you know how to shit a rainbow colored turd you say (Yes I have done that a million times) most companies will show you exactly how they want you to create that rainbow colored turd anyways even if you done it a million times.

PS: All of the best paying jobs I ever had (Over $20 an hour) have hired me on the spot without even calling past employers or checking references!!!
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This is a simple question with a simple answer....LIE!!!

Give them your buddies cell phone numbers and have them give you a great reference...works everytime!

It is a dog eat dog world as far as jobs go in Michigan right now. It is not what you know or your skills that will land you a job right now...it is who you know and how well you can bullshit your way through the interview.

I have been turned down jobs in the past only to find out the company hired some douche bag with half my knowledge...why? Because he could bullshit better than me! Study up on your bullshittin abilities, lie you ass off (Be prepared to back up lies) incase they call bullshit (Buddies cell #) and you know how to do everything they ask. If they ask if you know how to shit a rainbow colored turd you say (Yes I have done that a million times) most companies will show you exactly how they want you to create that rainbow colored turd anyways even if you done it a million times.

PS: All of the best paying jobs I ever had (Over $20 an hour) have hired me on the spot without even calling past employers or checking references!!!

Good luck. We have a 3 part interview. I LOVE IT when I get to catch people in a lie. A good company wont hire on the spot for this exact reason.
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Good luck. We have a 3 part interview. I LOVE IT when I get to catch people in a lie. A good company wont hire on the spot for this exact reason.
I have worked for some major Tier One suppliers of automotive parts and they all hired me on the spot for over $20 an hour...it is usually those little mom and pop shops that what to hire a skilled trade worker for $12 an hour that have you go through all that bullshit 3 interview process. I have no problem finding a job if I need to and I can back my bullshit up with two journeyman’s cards. PS: I am not the one looking for the job here...know why? Because I have mastered the interview process!
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Good luck. We have a 3 part interview. I LOVE IT when I get to catch people in a lie. A good company wont hire on the spot for this exact reason.
x2 whatever you do, don't lie. You ruin your reputation and future chances of ever being employed there. What seems to work pretty well is having a flexible resume, in which you tailor it to the position and company you're applying at. Basically, draw more attention to the skills on your resume that apply to that position or company.

Regarding references, I personally would heavily advise against "references available upon request" on any resume. It's very much implicit. If a company's going to want references, they'll ask you, regardless of whether that statement is on your resume. You're really just wasting space. If your references are such heavyweights that it's going to make the difference during the first review of your resume, just send them along with your resume in the first place.

I wouldn't use people at your existing job for references unless you're sure it won't get you fired. Co-workers at the same level as you that you can trust are fine, but superiors aren't the best idea by any means.
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