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Old February 29th, 2008, 11:23 PM   #1
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Does anyone read it and if so where did you start? I know some people say read it like a book but others start at different spots?
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Does anyone read it and if so where did you start? I know some people say read it like a book but others start at different spots?
I read the Bible almost every day.

The Bible really is a collection of books and letters, and it is not necessary to start at Genesis and read from beginning to end. In fact that would be very difficult.

I would start with either Mark (if you want to learn about Jesus) or John (if you want to learn what Jesus was about). Those are both in the New Testament. Mark is the second book in the New Testament and John is the fourth.

I would also get a "readable" version. The New King James Version, New Century Version, or The Message are the first ones that come to mind.

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Old March 1st, 2008, 09:14 AM   #3
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Is there such a thing as a Bible for dummies(beginers) ?
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Old March 1st, 2008, 09:19 AM   #4
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yes http://www.dummies.com/WileyCDA/Dumm...-RELIGION.html
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I agree, try starting in Mark. Romans is a good book too, but its got alot of substance in it and might be a hard one to start with.
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you can also google esword - a free download of software that includes the ability to load different translations and read them side by side, as well as the inclusion of concordances.

finally it will also allow you to to easily set up a 'study' plan based on a number of variables.

for example, say you wanted to read the entire bible cover to cover in a single year - it'll select the necessary readings to accomplish this.

if you prefer a hands-on approach there are several reading bibles that offer multiple translations side by side, and several that are in differing order.

for example, the one my wife is currently reading is an attempt at a chronological order bible.


edit: I should mention esword is sort of like an add-on for IE. and finally if you prefer all online, or pc based you can also do much of this over at www.biblegateway.com
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For a broader, more open approach, you might check out: THE LOST BOOKS OF THE BIBLE, ISBN 0-517-277956. You may locate other sources at your local library that treat subjects such as books/parts of the "standard" version that have, for political/social/etc. reasons, been taken out of the "standard" version-----key word here is "version".
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Hey Chuck!! Glad to see you're still alive! How have you been? It's been ages since I've talked to you.

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Good answer Chuck.
I would also recommend the book of John, then you can continue on in the book of Acts which tells how the early Church got started.
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I will be the third to suggest to start with one of the four gospels, Mark or John.

Your best bet is to not study alone. I run a bible study, as I am sure many others do. PM if you are interested.
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Your best bet is to not study alone. I run a bible study, as I am sure many others do. PM if you are interested.
is that in case he interprets something wrong?
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is that in case he interprets something wrong?
troll elsewhere? I highly doubt that was a sincere question on your part given your hounding in other threads.

we're talking about a book that is a collection of other books/writings that is some thousands of years old or so in original context - a time period very different than our own. try reading 1500's Queens English, which is supposedly our very own language and compare the word usage, contexts, etc. Extrapolate that to early hebrew/aramaic writings which were then translated into ancient greek, and then finally into english - originally some 500 or 600 years ago. (based on which translation you are mocking)

whether you believe what is written in there is irrelevant - if someone is interested in understanding what is written, much like attempting to understand anything else that has been translated umpteen times since it's original language and context it would be a good idea to have a mentor, or group discussion involved.

whether it's in a Christian based bible study, or a collegiate based humanities/religion course, the benefits of having other points of view, and interpretations should be obvious.
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troll elsewhere? I highly doubt that was a sincere question on your part given your hounding in other threads.

we're talking about a book that is a collection of other books/writings that is some thousands of years old or so in original context - a time period very different than our own. try reading 1500's Queens English, which is supposedly our very own language and compare the word usage, contexts, etc. Extrapolate that to early hebrew/aramaic writings which were then translated into ancient greek, and then finally into english - originally some 500 or 600 years ago. (based on which translation you are mocking)

whether you believe what is written in there is irrelevant - if someone is interested in understanding what is written, much like attempting to understand anything else that has been translated umpteen times since it's original language and context it would be a good idea to have a mentor, or group discussion involved.

whether it's in a Christian based bible study, or a collegiate based humanities/religion course, the benefits of having other points of view, and interpretations should be obvious.
it was a sincere question but i'd rather hear dave's response...
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it was a sincere question but i'd rather hear dave's response...
Cause you like to bother him for no Apparent reason? And Stalk him?

Oh, and I would suggest what others have said. If you live around Lansing, You can come to our Campus Ministry. www.hhcf.org/MSU. We have many people that would love to help you find a place to start.
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it was a sincere question but i'd rather hear dave's response...
take no offense by my complete lack of faith in your sincerity. you have a near religious fervor with respect to the lengths you go...

which is a bit ironic doncha think?
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is that in case he interprets something wrong?
That is not the reason I mentioned it, surely it is possible though. Humans are made to live in the context of community, we are not lone soldiers. In terms of matter of faith, the same principle applies. Getting involved in a group study helps because there are many perspectives coming into one. For example, I was a part of a study a few days ago on James 1. There is a lot of stuff in there, and different people's experience can highlight some deeper meaning in certain verses that I may not have been able to contribute. So a group studies better TOGETHER than one can do alone. This is not to say that he should not read the bible by himself, because I do that plenty as I am sure other believers do. But when reading it for the first time, others can help set the scene, they can help display the background story. For example, when reading the Old Testament, there are certain big picture understandings that help make the writing of the prophets make sense. But from a reading with no help from others who understand the big picture, I imagine our friend would quickly get discouraged or confused, and I have in the past. So those are the reasons I suggested a group study.
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I like the New International version. Reads almost like a book. The Message is good too.
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Does anyone read it and if so where did you start? I know some people say read it like a book but others start at different spots?
Yeah, i personally start reading in Genesis, but you may want to consider starting in Matthew or Mark.
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I'm Confused, What bible is the "correct version"? :miff:
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I'm Confused, What bible is the "correct version"? :miff:
King James version is the closest translated version from the Greek (N.T) and Hebrew (O.T). The "Correct" version (if you will) would be in Greek and Hebrew.
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