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Old March 12th, 2008, 02:32 PM   #1
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This country really needs another war! The below is quoted from Dan Froomkin columnist for the Washington Post.

The abrupt resignation yesterday of the top U.S. commander in the Middle East, Admiral William J. "Fox" Fallon, has sparked a new round of speculation that President Bush and Vice President Cheney have some sort of plan in the works to attack Iran before their time is up.

Terry Atlas blogs for U.S. News and World Report with "6 Signs the U.S. May Be Headed for War in Iran." They are: Fallon's resignation, Cheney's trip to the Middle East, the Israeli airstrike on Syria, U.S. warships off Lebanon, Israeli comments and Israel's war with Hezbollah.

Atlas explains each one. Why the Israeli airstrike on Syria, for instance? Atlas writes: "Israel's airstrike deep in Syria last October was reported to have targeted a nuclear-related facility, but details have remained sketchy and some experts have been skeptical that Syria had a covert nuclear program. An alternative scenario floating in Israel and Lebanon is that the real purpose of the strike was to force Syria to switch on the targeting electronics for newly received Russian anti-aircraft defenses. The location of the strike is seen as on a likely flight path to Iran (also crossing the friendly Kurdish-controlled Northern Iraq), and knowing the electronic signatures of the defensive systems is necessary to reduce the risks for warplanes heading to targets in Iran."

Cheney leaves Sunday for a trip to the Middle East. In yesterday's column, I suggested that reporters try to find out what he tells the Israelis about Iran. That's even more important today.

The conventional wisdom in Washington is that, ever since December's National Intelligence Estimate threw cold water on Bush and Cheney's insistence that Iran was on the brink of nuclear weapons development, a preventative attack on Iran was no longer in the cards. But Bush has repeatedly brushed off the NIE's findings. Administration pronouncements blaming Iran for fomenting attacks in Iraq are on the upswing again. And now Cheney's on his way to Israel.

It's still not really beyond Bush and Cheney to order a full-scale preemptive attack on Iran. But the more likely scenario is that there will be an asymmetrical U.S. response to a (possibly trumped up) Iranian provocation. And the most likely scenario is that the U.S. will encourage (or certainly not oppose) an Israeli attack on Iranian nuclear facilities -- which in turn would lead the U.S. to come to Israel's defense should Iran strike back.

That's been a favorite Cheney scenario for more than a year.
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Old March 12th, 2008, 04:36 PM   #2
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In my mind, it is not if, but when.
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Old March 12th, 2008, 04:46 PM   #3
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bush and cheney want that so they can declare a dictatorship and stay in power
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Old March 12th, 2008, 04:56 PM   #4
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bush and cheney want that so they can declare a dictatorship and stay in power
God Help us all!!
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Old March 12th, 2008, 04:58 PM   #5
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Ahmadinejad is a modern day Hitler.
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i have to agree.
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Old March 14th, 2008, 12:42 AM   #8
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It has been my opinion from the very start that we were headed to attack Iran. Afghanistan and Iraq were just pawn moves in the whole scheme of things. Look at where Afghanistan and Iraq are located? Funny how they both border Iran. We have been itching to make a move on Iran since they took US citizens hostage back when Jimmy Carter was president. Who do you think funded the Iraqi Army in the 80's when Iraq was at war with Iran? The US did. I hope we don't do it. Our country is already approaching the breaking point with the economy in the dumps, the US dollar at an thirty year low, and a national debt that is just rediculous. I am sure some people may argue that war stimulates an economy, but what did the war with Iraq do? Certainly didn't stimulate much except the decline of President Bush's approval ratings.
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Old March 14th, 2008, 02:17 AM   #9
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Fallon's resignation, Cheney's trip to the Middle East, the Israeli airstrike on Syria, U.S. warships off Lebanon, Israeli comments and Israel's war with Hezbollah.
Just another day in the middle east.

The next war is being fought on wall street
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Just another day in the middle east.

The next war is being fought on wall street
This is probably the only reason we haven't bombed them already. China owns a great deal of the US foreign debt. As soon as we bomb Iran, all China needs to do is start selling their huge stash of US dollars on the world market. It would crush us. Fortunately, China relies on a stronger US dollar so that we have the buying power to buy their exports. Without that, their economy will falter as well. It is a very delicate dance right now.
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Old March 14th, 2008, 11:45 AM   #11
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this is scary but so true. It is just a matter of time
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again --

"who runs barter town??"

"master blaster runs barter town!"

shit where is steve gutenberg when you need him?

the day after seems like it is getting closer all the time.
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...well if we do my budget triples.
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George fucd up every single adult venture given to him, but how can Daddy bail him out this time? The man is a clueless menace.
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Yes we are, and have been for years. I hope Cheney chokes & dies.
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Yes we are, and have been for years. I hope Cheney chokes & dies.
Poor Dick. Iran (Persia) has been at odds with the western world for hundred years before Cheney and will be for a hundred years after Cheney.
They want all "non-believers" dead. It's called Islamic Jihad and has nothing to do with that moron Cheney. He's an idiot which makes him easy to hate, but the Iran situation is not his fault.

Iran has no problem raining nukes with Allāhu Akbar graffitti on the side. It does not matter who or how many die in the process. There can be no peace. Never make the mistake of applying our values when evaluating the middle east. That is why the Iraqi government will fail.
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It wouldn't bother me if we attacked them. It just wouldn't be the way I would want.

The desert would be turned to glass and we would have some controlling votes in OPEC.

Done.

It will never happen that way though.
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