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Old February 21st, 2008, 03:52 PM   #1
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This came up in another thread today, we have had a lot of new members join gl4x4 in the last year and it has been a while since we have discussed this.

Please use proper tow points, proper towing procedures, and care when doing a vehicle recovery.

This shit is serious business, people get hurt, dies, put holes in their hoods, etc.

I will get a picture of what a measly little tow hook did to the hood of my jeep when it let loose from another vehicle.

I do not want any pictures of what tow hooks and D-Rings have done to people.

This weekend is the chili run, there will be a LOT of people there, and there will be a lot of stuck vehicles in the mud, snow and ice. BE CAREFUL and use proper techniques.

If you do not know ask. If you see something unsafe, knock the person out of the way and show them how to do it safely. do not just stand by and talk about how dangerous it looks/is, go do something about it.

I would hope that others will chime in with proper techniques as I need to get back to work.

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UP_ROKTOY and the safe recovery team.

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Old February 21st, 2008, 04:00 PM   #3
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everyone take a second to look it over before you go out next
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So whats wrong with the pin type clevis? I've seen people solely recommend the screw types before, i don't see what would be any safer about the screw type.

Seriously i want to know, cause i've been using the pin type for years without problems.
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Old February 21st, 2008, 04:07 PM   #5
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So whats wrong with the pin type clevis? I've seen people solely recommend the screw types before, i don't see what would be any safer about the screw type.

Seriously i want to know, cause i've been using the pin type for years without problems.
it's possible for them to come apart. Not likely but possible. Also the screw in type are machined where the pin type are often cast.
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cast what? I doubt a clevis would ever be cast, nor a pin
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The screw type clevis holds itself together making it harder for it to spread apart and snap. Were the pin ads no strength to the open end of the clevis.
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Old February 21st, 2008, 04:16 PM   #8
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The screw type clevis holds itself together making it harder for it to spread apart and snap. Were the pin ads no strength to the open end of the clevis.
Like you know anything about vehicle recovery.. :tonka:
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cast what? I doubt a clevis would ever be cast, nor a pin
Actually they are, especially if they are bought from someplace like TSC or Harbor Freight. I've seen some so bad, that the pin shaft is not even cylindrical, it is more in the cross section shape of an egg.
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The screw type clevis holds itself together making it harder for it to spread apart and snap. Were the pin ads no strength to the open end of the clevis.
Thats the first time i've heard that, and the only explanation that made any sense
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it's possible for them to come apart. Not likely but possible. Also the screw in type are machined where the pin type are often cast.
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Like you know anything about vehicle recovery.. :tonka:
I'm a slow learner but I'm getting there.:tonka:
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Thats the first time i've heard that, and the only explanation that made any sense
The why is always very important to me to.
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Well I guess here is a good place to ask a question.

I read G-mans thread again, and it said to have your hooks pointing up. My hook is mounted upside down on my frame at the front of my vehicle and the point faces towards the rear, slightly curved up at the end. The strap has fallen off before, but other than that, I can't see a problem with it. I just have another person keep the strap taught until I can back up far enough so it stays on.

FWIW, this hook is huge, taken from a semi in a junkyard. I know the hook can handle it, but I don't know if it could have any adverse effects. Thanks in advance.

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Cliffs notes: is a hook facing backwards going to cause any trouble?
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Think of a horseshoe. You can grab it and pull it apart at the top of the "U". Now picture putting a bolt across the top of the "U" to hold them together. It's pretty strong. Now picture putting a pin with a hitch clip in place of the bolt. The only thing keeping it from coming apart is the 1/8 " diameter soft hitch pin. Not strong at all.

Now, there will be those that say that you are pulling from the pin to the bottom of the "U" so it doesn't matter. But what happens in the real world is 2 things. 1) there are still forces that try to spreat the top apart. 2) It has happened more than once where a clevis gets rotated during the movent of the strap.

The best clevis pins available locally (besides your local 4x4 shop) are the ones from TSC. The cost is next to nothing different than the unsafe ones.
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Old February 21st, 2008, 04:57 PM   #15
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With the number of new faces it is a good idea to talk about it for a bit

Here is a well known image on the web of recovery gone bad. It speaks a more than a 1000 words can. Look closely at it.

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Well I guess here is a good place to ask a question.

I read G-mans thread again, and it said to have your hooks pointing up. My hook is mounted upside down on my frame at the front of my vehicle and the point faces towards the rear, slightly curved up at the end. The strap has fallen off before, but other than that, I can't see a problem with it. I just have another person keep the strap taught until I can back up far enough so it stays on.

FWIW, this hook is huge, taken from a semi in a junkyard. I know the hook can handle it, but I don't know if it could have any adverse effects. Thanks in advance.

*edit*

Cliffs notes: is a hook facing backwards going to cause any trouble?

The hook at the end of wire rope (cable) should be attached point up. Because if something breaks odds are the line will fly towards the ground. But point down the line would fly up (usually about head level). With that said wire rope straps and anything else is never 100% predictable and is always dangerous when it breaks.


As far as a hook facing backwards. I'm not sure what you mean.
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Old February 21st, 2008, 05:36 PM   #17
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CC will you sticky that post Gman did on this in the pub for the newbies and also in the proper area as well since most people spend more time in the pub it seems.
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With the number of new faces it is a good idea to talk about it for a bit

Here is a well known image on the web of recovery gone bad. It speaks a more than a 1000 words can. Look closely at it.

damn, the strap went all the way thru out the back!!
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