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Old November 9th, 2007, 07:31 AM   #1
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Default Mounds meeting... What happened?

I'm a total jackass and fell asleep on my couch right after work yesterday.

I really wanted to attend this. Did I miss anything?
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Old November 9th, 2007, 07:50 AM   #2
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Other than this IS going to happen and is basically a three year plan - no.

The Public input was necessary because (Rowe) the engineering firm responsible for the development had a very basic idea that essentially only identified where the Rock Course is to be located within the Mounds Boundaries and was originally identified in the 2004 Master Plan for the Mounds.

All user groups provided verbal input of desires, wishes, likes and dislikes. GLFWDA provided a forty-one page presentation that answered many of the questions the engineering firm had. All in all, the meeting itself was a good meeting. Now for the execution phase...
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Old November 9th, 2007, 09:42 AM   #3
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The meeting went well. They do however still need public input. They want an opinion on what we are looking for. In the proposed plan, they sectioned about half of the area to Pro-Comp rigs... I dont think this is what we are looking for, and I belive that point got across yesterday. But again, it's still in VERY early stages.

If someone could provide an email for the guy they said to contact, please do so, I didnt catch it last night...

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Old November 9th, 2007, 10:47 AM   #4
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Old November 9th, 2007, 11:59 AM   #5
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If someone could provide an email for the guy they said to contact, please do so, I didnt catch it last night...
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Ron Walker is who they want us to address our comments to. His e-mail address is = Ron Walker <rwalker@gcparks.org>
As far as the proposal Rowe presented...I thought it was better than I expected. Other than the first 15 minutes of their movie showed more paint getting scraped off the roofs of vehicles than rubber off tires!
Usually we have a harder time conviencing government and land managers we want challenges that are more than casual walks in the park.
If you look at the presentation Great Lakes put together you'll see that we tried to balance and quantify the course difficulties as Rowe was pretty fixated on competition courses like Donner and WeRock. It was apparent that GCP&R let them have free reign with respect to content of the facility. For instance, they showed a pavilion amidst the difficult courses. While that might be nice, it was noted that users come to the faciilty to use it. If some group had that area reserved it would not set well as users believe they should have access to the entire facility without someone having exclusive use if it.
I for one, would like to see our hard earned money put into rocks instead of a pavillion also.
One of the engineers with Rowe is also a member of London and Area Jeep Owners Club out of Ontario. He also brought in some old friends of mine who put on the Southern Ontario Rock Crawling Championships. They confirmed the audiences suggestions on course content and trying to maxamize use of the natural terrain.
If there's one thing that dissapointed me it was the placement of the courses. The Master Plan show the development in the north east corner of the property in the area known as the dust bowl. It's a relatively flat area and the 'terrain' for the rocks will have to be constructed. The road along the railroad tracks will be improved once the powerline relocation project is complete. The location is not movable unless the Master Plan is revised. Last time that took 3+ years. Not time I'd like to waste again.
I passed out the GLFWDA Rock Course Design guidelines to those present. I've also attached it here for those who fell asleep last night and didn't make it.
Great Lakes would like to welcome your comments on the proposal that Rowe is going to work with. Rowe indicated there would be future reviews before the final bell sounds and they start digging holes and piling rocks. Optimistically we could see rocks before the end of 2008, next year.
Thanks to all who showed up and commented.
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Old November 9th, 2007, 12:34 PM   #6
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Northeast corner?


that would be the bascially unused area east of the mud pits that is flat with no trees, correct.


I could think of better places to put it, but hey rocks are rocks i guess.
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I seriously would ask them to make it as hard as they are willing to make it, since that was their initial plan. The course will only become easier as the rocks move in the sand... plus in the future I have a feeling it would be easier to ask them to make to easier than asking them to come back in and making it harder.

I know the pics you took were stock vehicle or vehicles on 33s or smaller, but I would be willing to bet that the majority of the vehicles into the mounds have larger than 33" tires, and are not stock.
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Old November 9th, 2007, 12:38 PM   #8
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Northeast corner?


that would be the bascially unused area east of the mud pits that is flat with no trees, correct.


I could think of better places to put it, but hey rocks are rocks i guess.
Yep, that's the place. It's been posted off limits for a few years now. I've got a nice color site map that I'm going to scan or photograph and post up so everyone has a basic idea of where it's going to be at. I'm also waiting for CC to put up the .pdf as it's to large for me to do.
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Old November 9th, 2007, 12:44 PM   #9
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I seriously would ask them to make it as hard as they are willing to make it, since that was their initial plan. The course will only become easier as the rocks move in the sand... plus in the future I have a feeling it would be easier to ask them to make to easier than asking them to come back in and making it harder.
I agree and the presentation shows that.

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I know the pics you took were stock vehicle or vehicles on 33s or smaller, but I would be willing to bet that the majority of the vehicles into the mounds have larger than 33" tires, and are not stock.
Then they go play on the Level 2 courses. Leave the Level 1's for the stock users wit 30 to 33's, Or go play on the courses with 4 foot ledges and 3 foot boulders. Place properly, comp vehicles will have a tough time in the Level 3 courses.
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Old November 9th, 2007, 12:46 PM   #10
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harder the better, bones is right, it will get easier over time with peo-ple moving/stacking rocks, settling, etc.
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I guess I would have to go to the meeting, or see the plan. I didn't realize they were bringing in enough rocks to have 4 seperate course ratings. One season of rock stacking and the 4 foot ledge turns into a staircase though.
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Old November 9th, 2007, 01:14 PM   #12
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Rocks can be unstacked nearly as quickly as they are stacked.
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Old November 9th, 2007, 01:48 PM   #13
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Here is the GLFWDA Proposal, 2.85 MB, PDF format

http://download.yousendit.com/BC82518312BC46B1

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Proposal looks great, very professional and easy to follow
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Old November 9th, 2007, 02:22 PM   #14
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Thanks for posting Bill!

The St. Helen Motorsport area will also be using this presentation for the rock course we set into motion in the Motorsport master plan. Just a little FYI.
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Old November 9th, 2007, 03:20 PM   #15
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Thanks for posting.

We had many a discussion on what and how to present it. I think kb8ymf did a bang up job.
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very well planned and professional looking proposal.
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Old November 9th, 2007, 04:45 PM   #17
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http://www.greatlakes4x4.com/junkforkelly/glfwda.pdf
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Old November 10th, 2007, 06:48 AM   #18
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Thanks for posting.
We had many a discussion on what and how to present it. I think kb8ymf did a bang up job.
Special thanks go to: WhiteRhino, 95Geo, Ironman, Trail Fanatic, Skip, phittie1100, dds4x4 who all helped with the critiquing and fine tuning.

jim-kb8ymf

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Old November 10th, 2007, 09:03 AM   #19
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Special thanks go to: WhiteRhino, 95Geo, Ironman, Trail Fanatic, Skip, phittie1100, dds4x4 who all helped with the critiquing and fine tuning.

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Thanks CC.
You guys did a great job.
Very impressive presentation.
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Actually we did all the work while kb8ymf slept in the corner. We just let him have the glory.

Actually Jim did 95+% of the work. Cudos to him.
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