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Old November 28th, 2007, 08:59 PM   #1
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Default Mast Lake

This is the National Forest's next M-37 style project.

We managed to save approx 8.75 miles of trail with the M-37 Project.
Anyone want to try again?

I'm willing to write the comments again but can't afford to gather the GPS data myself.

The NFS sent us advanced copies of their maps.
This project is located just north of Croton-Hardy damns and doesn't look like it has as much area or as much Forest owned lands in it as the M-37. Should be easier this time around.



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Old November 29th, 2007, 08:25 AM   #2
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What is the timeline for this next project?
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Old November 29th, 2007, 08:34 AM   #3
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Old November 29th, 2007, 11:42 AM   #4
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What was the M37 project? What exactly is going on here?
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Old November 29th, 2007, 08:07 PM   #5
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M37 response Link


Any hills in the area?
Let's run these after a snow.
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Old December 5th, 2007, 08:09 PM   #6
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Sorry for the delay in response . . .

The Forest Service is planning to begin the official process sometime from mid January to mid February. We should try to have it done by then. If we err on the side of caution, that means mid-January. Snow is going to make it interesting. The holidays make matters worse. The Two Trackers are the closest club that I know of to the Project Area. They have people interested in mapping (as does GLFWDA) and have set a date for January 5th. That way people can get the Holidays out of the way (and get that GPS for Christmas:tonka:).

The area is only about 27 square miles (compared to the M Triangle's 100+) so it should go MUCH faster. We're finding that, depending on trail density, we average about 5 square miles of GPSing per day, per group. That equates to a little less than 6 "group-days" on the trail to get it mapped. A group consists of a minimum 2 vehicles with at least 3 people between them. So, the estimated need is for 18 people in 12 vehicles MINIMUM to get it done in one day.

You don't need to have a GPS to help out.
The 'system' works best (fastest) if there's a driver and a note-taker.
Mapping parties consist of more than one vehicle for safety (and it makes it more fun too), even thought the other vehicles don't really do anything. you can show up and be one of these support vehicles too.

Don't get me wrong, we need GPS units and digital cameras too, or we can't complete our objective. We've refined the preferred mapping method to include very little writing and almost no picture taking at all. It's mostly driving and dropping waypoints at intersections. We're making up a flier with easy to follow instructions and examples. Hopefully it will be ready for the 5th. I WILL have copies of the National Forest's maps available. Heck, if I get more time, I'll scan them in and post em up.

So . . .

Date: January 5th
Time: 9:00 am

Carpool Lot Details * Morley

Facility Name: Morley
County: Mecosta
Primary Route: US-131
Local Route: Jefferson Road
Exit Number: 125

Directions:
From northbound US-131 take exit 125 near Morley. Turn right/east onto Jefferson Road. Turn left/north onto 200th Avenue (first road on left/north). Lot is first right/east. From southbound US-131 take exit 125 near Morley. Turn left/east onto Jefferson Road. Turn left/north onto 200th Avenue (first road on left/north). Lot is first right/east.

Hope to see you there!

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Old December 5th, 2007, 09:04 PM   #7
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What was the M37 project? What exactly is going on here?

The National Forest decides to look at areas of the forest for management from time to time. I'm not sure why, but think it might have to do with the trees coming to the right age for logging???

Anyway . . .

When they look at an area, they look at the ecosystems, non-native invasive species, endangered spices habitats, etc, and the road system.

This indicates that they're looking at road closures.

We go out and see which roads (72"+ two track trails) we would like to have them keep open for recreational access.

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Call made . . .

Several days ago. :tonka:
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Old December 25th, 2007, 06:26 PM   #9
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A round about way, but here tis the ride I took T'giv wknd
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Old December 25th, 2007, 06:33 PM   #10
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Sorry for the delay in response . . .

So . . .

Date: January 5th
Time: 9:00 am

Carpool Lot Details * Morley

Facility Name: Morley
County: Mecosta
Primary Route: US-131
Local Route: Jefferson Road
Exit Number: 125

Directions:
From northbound US-131 take exit 125 near Morley. Turn right/east onto Jefferson Road. Turn left/north onto 200th Avenue (first road on left/north). Lot is first right/east. From southbound US-131 take exit 125 near Morley. Turn left/east onto Jefferson Road. Turn left/north onto 200th Avenue (first road on left/north). Lot is first right/east.

Hope to see you there!


Is this still happening? Who is going? I don't think Ari and I can make it now, fyi, so hopefully there are enough others who can.
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Old December 26th, 2007, 09:11 PM   #12
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Is this still happening? Who is going? I don't think Ari and I can make it now, fyi, so hopefully there are enough others who can.
It is still happening. I won't be there but I know a lot of the Two Trackers plan on helping out. The more the merrier.
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Old January 6th, 2008, 01:03 PM   #13
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THANK YOU EVERYONE!

We had a great turnout!

14 vehicles broke into 6 groups to cover the project area.
Some were done in just a few hours.
It'll be interesting to see all of the data when it comes in.
I'll bet we covered it all.



I'll let you know how the data looks when I get it complied.



THANKS AGAIN!
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Old January 6th, 2008, 01:10 PM   #14
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I'd also like to mention that it was great to put faces with some of the screen names.

Thanks S2theMach, Upchuck, YJ_Hank, and Greenway - it was great to finally be able to meet you all!

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Old January 7th, 2008, 08:56 AM   #15
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This was a great time! Even though there are strange noises now coming from my transmission or t-case, it was worth it.
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Old January 7th, 2008, 05:18 PM   #16
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You must have found better terrain than we did in our area!
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Old January 19th, 2008, 10:32 PM   #17
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Thank you to everyone who helped get this area mapped.

Our results are below:
(The pink delineates the Project Area boundary)

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Old February 17th, 2008, 09:18 PM   #18
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Christopher Frederick
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Baldwin/White Cloud Ranger District
P.O. Box D
Baldwin, MI
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February 8, 2008

Re: Mast Lake Project Scoping Letter

Please accept the following comments on behalf of the Two Trackers Four Wheel Drive Club, the Great Lakes Four Wheel Drive Association, and the United Four Wheel Drive Associations.



Request 1
Place Scoping on HOLD and reissue the 30 day Comment Period on May 1, 2008.

Reason
It is inappropriate to release projects that involve the transportation system for Scoping immediately preceding or during the winter season. Snowfall obscures the transportation system, soil conditions, and most vegetation. This prohibits a reasonable investigation of the Project Area for the formulation of substantive comment.



Request 2
We suggest the National Forest Service review the road mileage calculation criteria to formulate a method that prevents a road segment from being counted more than one time.

Reason
Roads on the Project Area Boundary that have NFS ownership both inside and outside the Boundary are being counted twice. Once for the Project for which adjacent ownership is inside the Project Area and again for the future project that will include the adjacent NFS ownership outside of the boundary.



Request 3
Include road segment mileages in Scoping Letter.

Reason
It is not possible for the public to accurately comment about road density issues if the distance a roads is adjacent to NFS ownership is unknown. This can be accomplished by placing the corresponding mileage on the maps with the segmentís name or number (UC15 Ė 0.4 mile, Locust Ė 2.0 Miles, etc.), or in a list format.

While we are unable to issue substantive comments about conditions in the Project Area due to current snow cover, review of the included Transportation Maps indicates the following:

Map 1
  • UC27, FR9612, and FR9613 Make a continuous loop providing access throughthe Forest
  • Acquire a reciprocal easement for the eastern ľ mile of FR9613 if a current easement is absent.
  • FR5374, FR9613, and the unlabeled road traveling NW/SE between the two, represent a preexisting road that appears on many maps, including Garminís Mapsource.

Map 2
  • UC 18 appears on many maps, including Garminís Mapsource, as the southern end of Locust. Reinstating this road would greatly aid rustic access throughthe Forest.
  • FR9610 should access both Two Mile Road and Elm Street to aid access through the Forest.
  • The creation of Level 2 Roads from Locust through to 8th, from 8th through to M20, from M20 to Locust, and from M20 to FR9610 (As indicated on the included Map) would improve rustic access through the Forest.

Map 3
  • UC16 is a preexisting road that appears on many maps, including Garminís Mapsource. The western half falls on private property and is now obstructed to public use. UC42 and UC15 are now the only east/west access through this section of Forest. The intersection of UC42 with FR9430 improves travel by also allowing for north/south rustic access through the Forest.

The abundance of User Created Routes in the Project Area serves as a clear indication that the NFS is failing to provide enough rustic access to the Forest. Inclusion of the routes discussed above would serve to alleviate this situation, reducing illegal use, improving the publicís desired access (rustic), while allowing for the rehabilitation of the most degraded sites.



These comments are respectfully submitted by,

United Four Wheel Drive Associations
Great Lakes Four Wheel Drive Association
Two Trackers Four Wheel Drive Club

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