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Old March 24th, 2006, 06:06 PM   #1
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Default sway bar? heres an idea...

so i found this linked over on naxja...heres the link....

what are your thoughts... mechanical engineers?

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=252940

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Old March 24th, 2006, 06:48 PM   #2
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I think its a pretty good idea. I can't beleave that I haven't seen that before.
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Old March 24th, 2006, 07:05 PM   #3
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Interesting... from an engineers view i say it should work just fine when you need it like quick maneuvers. because more often then not a shock is valved real heavy on the rebound side and soft on the compression side... plus they way its done they are solid when pushed up and as the other tries to droop it will take time... still reduces the overall rate of the sway bar but good idea.

Although the sway bar should be level to work best... i think it would work well on a larger rig. i know what would be perfect actually... a shock from a bike... but its a little pricier... the length would be perfect though for a 3-6 inch lift

This just might become popular
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Old March 24th, 2006, 07:38 PM   #4
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i think you might be in for some big suprizes in some situations. For example, imagine going around one of those long "cloverleaf" type freeway ramps. At first everything seems fine... but eventually, the shocks react to the load, one extending and the other collapsing. You rig will lean over more and more the longer your in the turn. Then, when you get to where it straigtens out your rigs still leaning, because it takes several seconds (or more) for the shocks to return to thier "neutral position". This could be very bad on a twisty turny road. I don't think the shocks would react fast enough to be of any use to give you any real usable flex. It may help you get a high RTI score but thats be about the only place it would work well.
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Old March 24th, 2006, 07:58 PM   #5
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dang, beat me to it.. (I'm an E.E. but I took 3.5 years og mechanical classes, and, well, my family invented the adjustable shock absorber, so we do know a thing or two about them...)

In general, bad idea, for the things mentioned.. would be a progressive lean in decreasing radius turns...
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Old March 24th, 2006, 08:29 PM   #6
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Didn't think of that situation, very true though
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Old March 25th, 2006, 12:06 AM   #7
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so it sounds like the brains of greatlakes have spoken,

maybe not street safe, but for the limited use of an offroad only vehicle, maybe a possiblity?

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Old March 25th, 2006, 01:14 AM   #8
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Poor idea for offroad in a coiled front an rear rig... if you have have ever been on a sidehill with coils front and rear with no swaybar.... it can get a little scary.
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Old March 25th, 2006, 01:31 AM   #9
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seems like a good idea.

but like brewmen said for those free way on off ramps. might be a little weird there. but i drove from petoskey to lapeer with my front sway bars unhooked with a 8 inch lift doing 85 90 the whole way with on and off ramps just fine. i got use to it but i dont think te shocks will make that much of a difference on the pulls down one side of a rig on a tight twisty road. but who knows.

over all i think its a great idea for a trail rig. not sure about it on road
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Old March 25th, 2006, 01:48 AM   #10
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Poor idea for offroad in a coiled front an rear rig... if you have have ever been on a sidehill with coils front and rear with no swaybar.... it can get a little scary.
going on 2 years swaybarless and haven't crashed into any bus loads of orphenend school kids yet.
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Old March 25th, 2006, 02:39 AM   #11
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going on 2 years swaybarless and haven't crashed into any bus loads of orphenend school kids yet.

thats always good. :
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Old March 28th, 2006, 12:59 AM   #12
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going on 2 years swaybarless and haven't crashed into any bus loads of orphenend school kids yet.
You find a lot of those on steep sidehills offroad?
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You find a lot of those on steep sidehills offroad?
I did.. never ran sway f or r in the TJ, on or off road.

leaned like a mofo, but never rolled it...
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Ummmm isn't a sway bar essentially a torsion bar?
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Old March 28th, 2006, 09:06 PM   #15
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Ummmm isn't a sway bar essentially a torsion bar?
yes, they are all just types of springs.
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Old March 28th, 2006, 09:17 PM   #16
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You find a lot of those on steep sidehills offroad?
Are you suggesting that I'm more likely to roll on a steep side hill because I don't have sway bars? I could try to explain why thats not neccasarily true, and the opposite could be true in some situations but it would require a bunch of typing and posting of diagrams and I don't feel like doing it right now.
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Old March 29th, 2006, 08:06 AM   #17
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I think he was just saying..."you don't find a lot of school busses on steep offcamber hills ofroad"
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Old March 29th, 2006, 08:17 AM   #18
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I Ran without a front sway bar for awhile, then got that fixed and took the rear one off, mine doesn't roll too much
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Old March 29th, 2006, 09:25 AM   #19
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I like the idea for my YJ. I was going to run no swaybar but this might be worth looking into.
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