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Old February 10th, 2008, 11:52 AM   #1
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I've built a few axles, and I'm ready to build another rear for my current project.

I've always been a fan of dana 70's, due to their ultimate strength, and much better ground clearance and pinion angle compared to a 14 bolt.

My question is this, I always hear people talk smack about the sterling 10.5 full floater from a ford, but nobody ever says WHY they don't like the axle.

I've only owned one, and it wasn't built. My only complaint was the special tool used to pull the rear hubs. Otherwise, these axles have 35 spline shafts, a wide variety of gear ratios, and have just a good ground clearance as a dana 70.

Being that Dana 70 SRW axles are getting harder to find, and every junkyard has a few dozen SRW sterlings, I'm thinking about building one. Anyone have a real good reason not to? Besides the fact it is ford built.
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Old February 10th, 2008, 01:38 PM   #2
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I think the Sterlings were dogged for a long time due to lack of gear ratios and lockers. Only recently have many gear ratios and locker been available. A while back I think 4.56 was the lowest gear for them, and it seems you couldn't get a Detroit or ARB back then. A lot of that has changed in the last 5 years.

Another thing is the '99 and newer have the metric bolt pattern, but I'm sure that can be changed to match an older D60 front. I also believe the '99 and up have disc rear.

I say build one Keith, what the heck.
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Old February 11th, 2008, 06:18 AM   #3
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Being that Dana 70 SRW axles are getting harder to find.
They are? They're under a shit-ton of 94-02 2500-up Rams.
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Old February 11th, 2008, 06:55 AM   #4
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well the 10.5 has a metric bolt pattern, that's the only problem i see, though they have disk brakes from the factory. The 10.25 is strong as they come, i think the only downfall is they are expensive to procure. The average used price is $500-600 for a decent axle, where a 14 bolt could be $200-300.
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The ram axles are too expensive now.

14 bolts are essentially junk for building. Before you flame on, think this. The 14 bolt has 30 spline coarse axleshafts that are only good for 7,000lbs where the 35 spline dana 70 axles are good for 10,000. Then, the 14 bolt housing is nodular iron, which can't be properly welded to very easily. You have to use special rod in an arc welder and prep the surface by heat treating it (try that on the trail). The dana 70 is nodular steel, which can be welded with any mig or arc welder.

Then, the 14 bolt has a pinion angle 2 3/4 inches lower than a dana 60 or 70! AND even with trimming to the housing, it still is at least 1 1/4 inch worse ground clearance than a dana!

Sure, 14 bolts are cheap, and theres a reason for that.
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The ram axles are too expensive now.
I think its where you're shopping.
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The average used price is $500-600 for a decent axle, where a 14 bolt could be $200-300.
You can find 10.25s for under $200 all day long. I got mine for free for buying the front matching D60...
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for 500$ I have a 10.25 with 4.10s, it comes with a truck though:tonka:
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for 500$ I have a 10.25 with 4.10s, it comes with a truck though:tonka:

You aren't suppose to tell him that second part until after he comes to pick up the axle
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You aren't suppose to tell him that second part until after he comes to pick up the axle
For sale: Sterling 10.25 rear axle. Comes with 'extras' $500 :tonka:
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I like the double pinion supports of the 14 bolt. And a 14 bolt can't be considered just a 30 spline axle, I think its a different pitch so its a larger shaft than 30 spline 60 stuff.
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I like the double pinion supports of the 14 bolt. And a 14 bolt can't be considered just a 30 spline axle, I think its a different pitch so its a larger shaft than 30 spline 60 stuff.
It is, but that's not what he compared it to.
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I like the double pinion supports of the 14 bolt. And a 14 bolt can't be considered just a 30 spline axle, I think its a different pitch so its a larger shaft than 30 spline 60 stuff.
Yeah, the diameter is the same as 35 spline Dana 60 stuff.

And you don't see many people breaking 14 bolt shafts.
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well the 10.5 has a metric bolt pattern, that's the only problem i see, though they have disk brakes from the factory. The 10.25 is strong as they come, i think the only downfall is they are expensive to procure. The average used price is $500-600 for a decent axle, where a 14 bolt could be $200-300.
Only the 99 and newer are metric with disc brakes, Earlier ones are the standard bolt pattern. The Sterling has been around since at least 1986 in alot of Ford 250 and 350 trucks and vans, and the ones around me in junkyards go for 100-200 tops.

As for the shafts on a 14 bolt, I'll agree they are plenty strong for most. It's the pinion location and ground clearance issues that I think are the real weak points of corporate 14 bolts.

However, I do have an old eaton 14 bolt with the dropout center sitting under my haywagon. Supposedly you can match them with newer parts to make a lightweight and plenty strong rear axle, anyone ever tried this?
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Keith, just build one, develop your own opinion on it, f'em all. Chuck runs one on that 42" tared f-three fitty.5.13's and welded I dont think he's broke it.

Eatons, chris from houghton runs one on his 44" tired ,caddy powered scout, don't think he's broken that yet. My other buddy chris said you can run 14 bolt shafts in them (I personally dont' know) Plus those old eatons usually came with 4.56's or lower, not to mention some sorta locker.

I'll stop in for a few beers next time I'm below the bridge, don't worry this time I won't bring Pabst.
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Matt, if your'e making it down, I need you to bring some parts for me from Todd, then I'll buy the beers. Pabst is fine by me, any cold beer does it these days.
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Only the 99 and newer are metric with disc brakes, Earlier ones are the standard bolt pattern. The Sterling has been around since at least 1986 in alot of Ford 250 and 350 trucks and vans, and the ones around me in junkyards go for 100-200 tops.

As for the shafts on a 14 bolt, I'll agree they are plenty strong for most. It's the pinion location and ground clearance issues that I think are the real weak points of corporate 14 bolts.

However, I do have an old eaton 14 bolt with the dropout center sitting under my haywagon. Supposedly you can match them with newer parts to make a lightweight and plenty strong rear axle, anyone ever tried this?
There is a difference between a 10.5 and a 10.25, the 10.5 is metric. Post is titled 10.5, not 10.25...10.5's are expensive
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Matt, if your'e making it down, I need you to bring some parts for me from Todd, then I'll buy the beers. Pabst is fine by me, any cold beer does it these days.
matt if you come down let me know, I wouldnt mind drinking cheap beer with ya, its been a while.
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im running one in the rear of my jeep with 44's 5.38 and a welded carrier never had a single problem with it gave $100 for it and it has disc's on the rear and it is metric from a 99 7.3 f-250
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