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Old March 23rd, 2006, 10:32 PM   #21
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For once, I agree with CC 100%


Now that being said, I will not be signing the petition.

reasons:
1) As Rick pointed out, it says BAN. If this law passes, I can see that being tried in court.
2)As someone else pointed out, it is their RIGHT to peacefully assemble. Just as it is our RIGHT to show up and drown them out.
3)They do have the right to say what they want. Freedom of speech. What they say does come close to slander, but untill they cross that line, they have the RIGHT to say it.


Our great soldiers that are denfending these freedoms are doing just that. Our soldiers are protecting everyone's right, even that group. This is what makes America great.

I think that this group will get what is coming to them, and I do not support them in any way.

I can see how law makers might be afraid to vote against it. It looks un-American to do so. But, is it more un-American to let our rights be reduced more?


At some point, the average American citizen will stand up on his own two feet, and give the government the finger. By this law passing, I feel that we are LETTING the governement take away some of our rights.

Like I said before, I do not support this group of protesters, or any protesters for that matter. I support our troops 100%

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Old March 23rd, 2006, 10:46 PM   #22
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3)They do have the right to say what they want. Freedom of speech. What they say does come close to slander, but untill they cross that line, they have the RIGHT to say it.
I think you are wrong. We arrest / remove people all the time for hate speech. Why is this any different?
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I think you are wrong. We arrest / remove people all the time for hate speech. Why is this any different?

Hate speech? define it.
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Old March 23rd, 2006, 11:06 PM   #24
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I think you are wrong. We arrest / remove people all the time for hate speech. Why is this any different?
I never heard of any non violent hate speech being penalized at all much less arrested. It has been held up that towns and cities can restrict where you protest and it is not unconstituational ... ie you get a permit, and hold a rally in the park for your cause, not disrupt traffic on the main business district shut down with 5,000 protestors.

You can hold rallys, walks, sit ins, whatever for all sorts of groups like the communist party, KKK, Arian nation, black panther party, your milita, you can say virtually what ever you want (dont threaten the president or the feds will come to your house and you will for life be on a watch list when the president comes to town) other than that you can go out side right now and go preach on the street corner any sort of messed up ignornat crap, without fear of going to jail.

I never heard of any peaceful folks geeting arrested for hate speech.

It is risky though cause all hell can break loose then there is violence and the cops just start shooting everyone with bean bags, tear gas and rubber bullets and you can end up in jail for not dispearsing but thats not necessarily for the speach .... its more or less being in the wrong place when the wrong violent mobb responded to your ignorant hate speech.
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Old March 23rd, 2006, 11:14 PM   #25
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Yeah, I may have fought for their right to free speech, but in doing that I also secured my right to respond. How I respond is entirely up to me. In this case I chose to sign the petition. God knows if i had my way they would suffer long and hard. Such blatant disrespect. keep em down the street. hell grant em space on top of the closest trash (dump)heep, and let em shout to the hills from its top.

what a legacy to leave your family "hey look i managed to piss off a whole lotta people, a whole country for what its worth, I also managed to dishonor our family name, people hate you because of me"

all in the name of "free speech"

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Does it really mean what it was intended to ?
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where did rick get that quote from i clicked on the original link and couldnt find any text saying the contents of the bill ?

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Kelly I do no think you hate the U.S. soldiers. This is just something that I believe is a good way to keep people like this away without removing their rights. They still have the right to assemble and annoy people. Just not for 60 minutes before and after the funeral, in a certain area. They can be a block down saying whatever they want.The PGR kick ass.



So all laws that were created hundreds of years ago should be followed. None can be changed.

How about some of these, should they still be inforced?

Florida
It is illegal to skateboard without a license.

Mississippi
It is illegal to teach others what polygamy is.

Montana
Seven or more Indians are considered a raiding or war party and it is legal to shoot them(Sorry G-man)

Nevada
It's still "legal" to hang someone for shooting your dog on your property

And I guess we can say goodbye to CC if he ever goes to Florida
Men may not be seen publicly in any kind of strapless gown.

throwing mudd i would say no. I think scahfer was refering to the constitution. Which as it stands is pretty sweet and works great. The founding fathers were a bunch of dedicated, take no shit, patriots. I dont think but for a few politicans today can compare to the intergity and forsight, or knowledge of history. If they did no one would be trying to take my guns away or limit them at all, instead half our government is in bed with the UN and want to disarm the whole world. Give me thomas jefferson and ben franklin over any of the jackass's that purport to represent me, and "swear to up hold the constitution". Bunch of jackass' dont care one bit about the TENS OF MILLIONS of law abiding citizens that were disarmed and then murded by their own goverments. Its going on right now in many countries.

Those laws are silly local ordinaces and stuff, i had a book of them when i was in elementary school, like no peanuts in church, and its illegal to walk your pet aligator on a sunday etc.

I guarantee you cannot shoot a group of 7 indians in montana. If they are americans they are protected by the constitution. I dont know why crazy old laws arent taken off the books like that, they are easily regarded by everyone in montana legislature to be archaic ... was the law from when it was not a state but just a territory ??? At any rate its not a fair comparison to constitution.

Only new freedoms should be added.

NO FREEDOMS should ever be taken away and you should seriously question the motives of anyone who wants to limit your freedoms.

Lastly our government cannot be trusted to limit a freedom and not little by little abolish it all together. Its jsut not in the nature of those in power. Its a piecemeal thing, take some here some there and in 50 years people wont miss what they never had. That the natural direction of government and why our constitutional freedoms should not be limited.

As much as i hate those westboro jackholes, i trust my fellow american to drown them out untill they go away more than i trust the government not to gleefully chip away at our rights.

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Old March 24th, 2006, 01:41 AM   #29
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with all due respect to servicemen (me and my brothers are the first in my family in three generations previous to not serve) why does it sound like the legislation is specific to servicemen as opposed to funerals in general.

Rev. Phelps i am not sure really even belives what he says and isn't simply using it to gt on tv to spread his anti gay agenda. Its jsut the suport for troops makes it such a passionate topic for fallen heroes. If they ban protest at servicemen, he obviously will go to police or fireman, or just known gays in homosexual relationships and protest and disrupt their. Per usual the goverment is being very short sighted to think even if this bill passes it "fixes" the problem.

The problem is not that he is protesting funerals, its that he is an ignorant jack ass and managed to get a few dozen-hundred supporters. You can't out and out ban stupidity and disrespect as much as washington would like to think they can. There is just no way to shut up hate groups. Everyone just has to look at them and roll there eyes .... not even give them the pleasure of acknowlegding them .... or maybe beat them down. I am not so sure they want a real fight, they want verbal fights. If a mad mob beat the piss out of 25 of them i am not sure many would come back. They are cowards. They are using our own civility and our own freedoms against us. Someone needs to turn the tables and not be civil.

Heck that child rapist hot teacher didnt even get jail time. If they protested the funeral of one of my loved ones i would count on jury nullification and sympathy of the situation that i would not go to jail.:dunie: cause i would get in a fight afterwards for sure.

The other solution is to make them get permits liek the KKK. I really want them to yell there hate to an almost empty field insome park. Let them waste their time.

I find it hard to belive the local police cant do something and call it causing a disturbance. I saw on jackass (i think) the battle creek police removed a peaceful actor in a tony the tiger costume for basically no reason i can remember.

I knew guys at school (WMU) that were arrested "for inciting a riot" when they were simply telling other people their rights and to not answer certain things the police wanted to know, cops can be real dick heads and the system allows for it. I am not comfortable with limiting second amendemtn at all.

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jamiesann I agree with what you are saying. I dont think this bill will limit or take away any rights. My interpretation is that it gives a boundry for a certain time. They still have the right to say what they want, just to the parking lot down the street for an hour or two.
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Old March 24th, 2006, 08:10 AM   #31
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Those laws are silly local ordinaces and stuff,
Only new freedoms should be added.



The problem is these laws dont get removed. From time to time the government falls backon some of them to get whatever results they are looking for. IE the issues in Texas with the bars.

It is really a shame that politicians cant be trusted with our best interests.
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Old March 24th, 2006, 08:27 AM   #32
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did anyone hear Drew and Mike when they called the people behind all the protest crap??? i dont know about anyone else, but i was getin pretty pissed about there idaes and "beliefs" behind this whole thing.
Yeah I heard it. That woman is crazy and brain-washed. Did you hear her say she has 11 kids?? 11 more of them running around the country. Yikes!!
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Old March 24th, 2006, 10:15 AM   #33
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did anyone hear Drew and Mike when they called the people behind all the protest crap??? i dont know about anyone else, but i was getin pretty pissed about there idaes and "beliefs" behind this whole thing.



yeah i think that they need to atop and brethe once in a while. the lady was so fricking high on what she was saying she wasn't even listening to them.
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Old March 24th, 2006, 10:30 AM   #34
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I think this was a great post and a really needed law against protesting at someones funeral for doing their job. i'm a vetran myself and these frickin idiots can swallow some lead.
just my input.
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^^^^^^agreed
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