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Old March 23rd, 2006, 02:08 PM   #1
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Yetti Need your HELP!!!!

me and 96dodgectd were riding our quad in a field next to my house the field is at least 40 acres anyways we rode for 20 mins then went down the road a block once were going to put them away and a cop pulled up...he said we needed registration for the machines..or some type of proof..i looked and found nothing, so he wrote us a tickes for no Helmets:miff: and no endorsement for a motorcycle..then at the bottom some extra charges are no plates and no ins..we have orv stickers that expire at the end of the month..i know you can get ins for a quad but is it required?? the only thing we could get a ticket for was no helmet right? there is no signs that say no riding morotcycles or quads etc...he said if we tried to fight it he would throw on wreckless driving.....thanks for all you help

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Old March 23rd, 2006, 02:37 PM   #2
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Dude that sucks. I don't have any advice but just wanted to wish you good luck in the fight!!

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Old March 23rd, 2006, 02:40 PM   #3
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You were on the road?:miff: Quads aren't allowed on the road.
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Old March 23rd, 2006, 02:41 PM   #4
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i know that...but the other stuff shouldn't be there
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Old March 23rd, 2006, 02:54 PM   #5
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Signs signs signs does everything need a sign to tell you right from wrong , you rode a offroad vehicle on the road , it's not licensed for road use, the cop should have impounded the quads , was the land yours or did you have written permission to ride on it ?.
Pay the fine fess up that you messed up and learn from the experience.
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Old March 23rd, 2006, 03:02 PM   #6
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If its a quad, you don't need plates or insurance. Also don't need a cycle endorsement, since they aren't road legal. Riding without a helmet IS a civil infraction though, so that is a valid ticket.

Also, if your quad was built before 96 (I think thats the year), no registration is required. Otherwise, you SHOULD have a registration, but you aren't required to renew or carry it.

As for unmarked property, in Michigan's lower peninsula, the law states that if it isn't posted as open, it is treated as closed. That is the rule for public or state land. For private land, you must have the landowners permission to ride there, otherwise it is trespassing on either account.

Wreckless driving....sounds like if he could have written it, he would have. He doesn't really have a case for that, unless you left some of your story out. Were you riding wheelies or acting stupid? Last I checked, he couldn't ADD a ticket at a later date.

I'd fight it, if of course you are telling the 100% truth. If you were riding it on the road, take the hit and pay the fine. You won't get out of that one for cheap.
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Old March 23rd, 2006, 07:42 PM   #7
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This is how it happen to the T..

I backed into his front yard and unloaded my quad. We rode in the field for maybe 15minutes 20 minutes tops. We drove to the front of his house. I asked if he ever rode down his street he said sometimes so i said ok i'll follow you so we took off down the street. We maybe drove 350yards TOPS on pavement which was a road. We then came back around to his house. I rode my quad into the back of my truck shut the quad off loaded the ramps and shut the tailgate. Then i started my truck and we walked inside his garage. I used the restroom then i was gunna go back to work.(was on lunch) We started talking about how they both(quads) where running good and where keeping up with each other. while walking out to my truck. I was leaning on the back tailgate and he said "Oh Shit" so i look over and the cop is getting out of his car. He asked if these where our guads i said yea so he asked for ours ID's. Then another cop pulled up saying we where the ones he seen. they took our licenses and walked back to his car. They came back asking for registration and proof of insurance. I said i dont have eaither on me but i do have insurance and a title. Steve went inside his house to look for his papers. the cops then walked away and never talked to me again untill they handed me my license and the tickets.

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Old March 23rd, 2006, 07:44 PM   #8
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If its a quad, you don't need plates or insurance. Also don't need a cycle endorsement, since they aren't road legal. Riding without a helmet IS a civil infraction though, so that is a valid ticket.
the tickets for no Helmet are legit, the quad does not require plate or insurance. you also don't need an ORV sticker if your not on trails or state land/lakes

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Also, if your quad was built before 96 (I think thats the year), no registration is required. Otherwise, you SHOULD have a registration, but you aren't required to renew or carry it.
ORVs have NEVER been required to carry a registration unless S.O.S licenced


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As for unmarked property, in Michigan's lower peninsula, the law states that if it isn't posted as open, it is treated as closed. That is the rule for public or state land. For private land, you must have the landowners permission to ride there, otherwise it is trespassing on either account.
state land is closed onless posted open. the property owners permissin is nice to have but if your operating in the 66' wide road easment its very had to persue trespass

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Wreckless driving....sounds like if he could have written it, he would have. He doesn't really have a case for that, unless you left some of your story out. Were you riding wheelies or acting stupid? Last I checked, he couldn't ADD a ticket at a later date.
the DNR is great for adding tickets to the pile if you intend to fight thier tickets. the fact they were operating in the street is not illegal. its only illegal if if your riding for recreation. its not illegal to cross any street at right angles.

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I'd fight it, if of course you are telling the 100% truth. If you were riding it on the road, take the hit and pay the fine. You won't get out of that one for cheap.
sounds like the cop didn't have clue, but noted some things on the ticket that make him look like an ass. he doesn't know the laws: there for shouldn't be inforcing them.

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me and 96dodgectd were riding our quad in a field next to my house the field is at least 40 acres anyways we rode for 20 mins then went down the road a block once were going to put them away and a cop pulled up...he said we needed registration for the machines..or some type of proof..i looked and found nothing, so he wrote us a tickes for no Helmets:miff: and no endorsement for a motorcycle..then at the bottom some extra charges are no plates and no ins..we have orv stickers that expire at the end of the month..i know you can get ins for a quad but is it required?? the only thing we could get a ticket for was no helmet right? there is no signs that say no riding morotcycles or quads etc...he said if we tried to fight it he would throw on wreckless driving.....thanks for all you help
what was wreckless that he could have writen you for? operating a quad in the street in not always illegal. if you were abiding by the laws and not speeding or doing stupid stuff he can't get you for anything else.

go the laws section under land issues and read up on "orv laws Exceptions" its an eye opener.
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Old March 23rd, 2006, 07:45 PM   #9
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[QUOTE=fastrt6dakota]
Wreckless driving....sounds like if he could have written it, he would have. He doesn't really have a case for that, unless you left some of your story out. Were you riding wheelies or acting stupid? Last I checked, he couldn't ADD a ticket at a later date.
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Yeah we weren't actualy going the speed limit. But i don't think he could of seen us or WHY wouldn't of he stoped us then when we where in the act.. I don't know it just does't make sence to me. He has NO proof we where on the street besides he said Whoever called said we where. which he lives on a deadend street....
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Old March 23rd, 2006, 07:50 PM   #10
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so who owns the property you were riding on? it might help to know because if you had permission to ride there then riding your quads to/from a farm field is not a crime.
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Old March 23rd, 2006, 07:54 PM   #11
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324.81122 Prohibited operation of unregistered ORV; exceptions; operator as prima facie negligent.
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(1) A person shall not operate an ORV that is not registered under the code upon a public highway, street, or right-of-way of a public highway or street, except as provided in section 81131 or under the following conditions and circumstances:
(a) The operator of a vehicle may cross a public highway, other than a limited access highway, at right angles, for the purpose of getting from 1 area to another, if the operation can be done in safety. The operator shall bring the vehicle to a complete stop before proceeding across a public highway, and shall yield the right-of-way to oncoming traffic.
(b) A vehicle may be operated on a street or highway for a special event of limited duration and conducted according to a prearranged schedule only under permit from the governmental unit having jurisdiction. A special event involving ORVs may be conducted on the frozen surface of public waters only under permit from the department.
(c) A farmer, employee of a farmer, or family member of a farmer who is at least 16 years of age may operate an ORV on the extreme right side of a roadway or highway right-of-way when it is not practicable to operate off that roadway or highway right-of-way. Such operation shall be limited to traveling to or from the farmer's residence or work location or field during the course of farming operations. An ORV shall not be operated pursuant to this subdivision during the period of 30 minutes before sunset to 30 minutes after sunrise, when visibility is substantially reduced due to weather conditions, or in a manner so as to interfere with traffic. The state transportation department and all of its employees are immune from tort liability for injury or damages sustained by any person arising in any way by reason of the operation or use of an ORV for the limited purposes allowed under this subdivision. An operator of an ORV under this subdivision shall have attached to the ORV a flag made of reflective material. The flag shall extend not less than 8 feet from the surface of the roadway and not less than 4 feet above the top of the ORV. The flag shall be not less than 12 inches high by 18 inches long and not measure less than 100 square inches.
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if some how you could get permission for the use of the field then all you have to say is you rode down to pick up trash for the owner, that would qualify as a farming operation and would make you legit.
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Old March 23rd, 2006, 08:04 PM   #13
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if some how you could get permission for the use of the field then all you have to say is you rode down to pick up trash for the owner, that would qualify as a farming operation and would make you legit.
Well i think the building is like a Michigan State Police Or FBI investigation building. From what ive heard from people that live around there anyways.
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Old March 23rd, 2006, 08:13 PM   #14
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Quote: "then went down the road a block once were going to put them away and a cop pulled up"


A quad can only be driven on a road if it has been inspected by law enforcement for tail light, head light and turn signals and then registered by the S.O.S.

Doesn't sound like you had that so you're screwed.
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Old March 23rd, 2006, 09:07 PM   #15
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no endorsement for a motorcycle..then at the bottom some extra charges are no plates and no ins..
I was thinking about this a bit, you should take the ticket to secretary of state and see if they will let you buy a plate for it. if they won't have the S.O.S put it in writing that its no applicable to the vehicle in question. then when you show up to fight the ticket it will prove to the judge who knows more about the traffic laws for your quads.

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quad can only be driven on a road if it has been inspected by law enforcement for tail light, head light and turn signals and then registered by the S.O.S.

Doesn't sound like you had that so you're screwed.
under the law QUADS ,ORVs,ATVs or other 4 wheeled vehicles are not required by law to have a plate, be registered to the state or have turnsignals mirrors ,etc...
quads can be legally driven on roads if you are doing the the following..
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(b) A vehicle may be operated on a street or highway for a special event of limited duration and conducted according to a prearranged schedule only under permit from the governmental unit having jurisdiction. A special event involving ORVs may be conducted on the frozen surface of public waters only under permit from the department.
(c) A farmer, employee of a farmer, or family member of a farmer who is at least 16 years of age may operate an ORV on the extreme right side of a roadway or highway right-of-way when it is not practicable to operate off that roadway or highway right-of-way. Such operation shall be limited to traveling to or from the farmer's residence or work location or field during the course of farming operations. An ORV shall not be operated pursuant to this subdivision during the period of 30 minutes before sunset to 30 minutes after sunrise, when visibility is substantially reduced due to weather conditions, or in a manner so as to interfere with traffic. The state transportation department and all of its employees are immune from tort liability for injury or damages sustained by any person arising in any way by reason of the operation or use of an ORV for the limited purposes allowed under this subdivision. An operator of an ORV under this subdivision shall have attached to the ORV a flag made of reflective material. The flag shall extend not less than 8 feet from the surface of the roadway and not less than 4 feet above the top of the ORV. The flag shall be not less than 12 inches high by 18 inches long and not measure less than 100 square inches.
Since the law was writen before quads & other ORVs had tail & brake lights the Flag may be a mute point.
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Well it doesn't look like he meets any of those two disclaimers. Last week when I applied for a quad title the SOS gave me a law enforcement verification form for ATV's. There were two sections. For title only it required an inspection of the VIN. For 'registration for use on a public road' it required that the police verify headlight, brake light and turn signals. So it would appear the state now requires an inspection and registration to operate on a road.
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Well i think the building is like a Michigan State Police Or FBI investigation building. From what ive heard from people that live around there anyways.
...and you were spotted by whom?

it took me a minute to register what you had posted, I assume no one was home and you thought it would be ok to do brodies in the yard?
I think I it might be prudent to pay the helmet tickets at this point
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For title only it required an inspection of the VIN. For 'registration for use on a public road' it required that the police verify headlight, brake light and turn signals. So it would appear the state now requires an inspection and registration to operate on a road.
I'm thinking they gave you a genaric form, the idea that a quad being street legal is great, however it goes againest the current laws posted in the michigan legislatures web page
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It's pricks like these cops that give police officers a bad name. He should of gave you a helmet ticket and/or operating a atv on public roads.
I had a buddy out run DNR officers up in Gladwin on my banshee, but since we were the only group up their camping at that time, the DNR came right to our camp site. He had every intention of taking my friend to jail and impounding my atv. I talked to the officer off to the side for about 10 minutes and he ending up only wrighting 2 tickets. that was very cool of him INMHO!
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...and you were spotted by whom?

it took me a minute to register what you had posted, I assume no one was home and you thought it would be ok to do brodies in the yard?
I think I it might be prudent to pay the helmet tickets at this point
The cop said he seen us on the street and the neighbors seen us too. But when the cops came to the house the neighbors came down to defend us. It was realy wierd i don't understand it how or why the cop "seen us" and then waited another 10 minutes to actualy come to our attention.
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