Question on Rings and Timing Chain... - Great Lakes 4x4. The largest offroad forum in the Midwest

Go Back   Great Lakes 4x4. The largest offroad forum in the Midwest > 4x4 Talk > Toyota Tech
GL4x4 Live! GL4x4 Casino

greatlakes4x4.com is the premier Great Lakes 4x4 Forum on the internet. Registered Users do not see the above ads.
Search
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old February 4th, 2008, 01:56 PM   #1
MudOnTheTires
Member
 
MudOnTheTires's Avatar
 
Join Date: 07-09-07
Location: Ashland, Ohio
Posts: 88
iTrader: (0)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Default Question on Rings and Timing Chain...

Hey guys,
I have a 1988 Toyota 4x4 pickup with the 22re. I have been chasing little problems and stuff since I bought it back in June and I am pretty sure now that the rings are shot and the timing chain may be off a tooth. I am gonna do a compression test this coming weekend and I assuming it will fail. I also know the timing is all jacked up and can't get it timed correctly. The previous owner of the motor in this truck said he put a new timing chain in it, it has never run quite right, and the guy was not too bright. Those things all together tell me that the timing chain being off a tooth is the root of my timing nightmare.
So, I have pulled this motor before and can have it out in about 30 min. My plan is to go ahead and pull it out and fix it. I am trying to decide if I should do rings and deal with the timing chain stuff myself or have a proffessional do it. I am a decent mechanic but I don't have much experience internally on an engine.
I guess my question is "How hard are rings and the timing chain?" I am concerned that I am gonna screw something up worse than it already is.
Any comment or info would be appreciated.

Thanx,

Sean
MudOnTheTires is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old February 4th, 2008, 02:29 PM   #2
roll-bar Bob
Senior Member
 
roll-bar Bob's Avatar
 
Join Date: 01-20-06
Location: M CITY
Posts: 2,794
iTrader: (3)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Default

It all comes to your skills!!!!

can you do it ???

do you know how ???

do you have the time to do it ???

do you have the poace to do it ???



FYI

I did mine with the motor still in the truck It is not that hard. When your in there spend some cash and get a performance cam .
roll-bar Bob is online now   Reply With Quote
Old February 4th, 2008, 02:54 PM   #3
MudOnTheTires
Member
 
MudOnTheTires's Avatar
 
Join Date: 07-09-07
Location: Ashland, Ohio
Posts: 88
iTrader: (0)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Default

Well, I have the space to do it and I would make time. I haven never done rings before but I would think that they come out and go in pretty self-explanatory. Do I have to hone the walls or can I get away with just changing them? Do the pistons both come out and go back in through the bottom?
The timing chain I am guessing is pretty straight forward too? I have been told I need to pull the head to get to everything?
I am mostly looking to hear from people who have done this before and what there experience was like.

-Sean
MudOnTheTires is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 4th, 2008, 03:28 PM   #4
roll-bar Bob
Senior Member
 
roll-bar Bob's Avatar
 
Join Date: 01-20-06
Location: M CITY
Posts: 2,794
iTrader: (3)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Default

the timing chain can be replaced with out taking the head off, same with the cam only if you are very very careful in what you are doing. I was able to unbolt the head remove the rocker rails pull the cam and replace everything with out popping the head gasket. my brother was not so lucky with his when we did it about a month later.



as for the rings buy the time I needed them I was all the way into a full blown rebuild at that time
roll-bar Bob is online now   Reply With Quote
Old February 5th, 2008, 07:00 PM   #5
alexmoore
Senior Member
 
Join Date: 06-24-07
Location: grand haven
Posts: 101
iTrader: (1)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Default

These motors are quite cheap to rebuild actually. My friend just built his for a little less than 1000 dollars. I'm in the process of building mine and i am under 900 dollars with machine work and parts so far. If you want to put in new rings, just rebuild the whole motor. Go to Ebay and search for the EPN master rebuild kit for the 22re. I got mine for 310 dollars. This kit is awesome and would cover the ring, and timing issue the right way.
alexmoore is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 6th, 2008, 03:26 PM   #6
Enginecraft
Custom engine machining
 
Enginecraft's Avatar
 
Join Date: 09-10-07
Location: Goodrich, MI
Posts: 185
iTrader: (12)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Default

You need to pull the pistons out the top-yes the head has to come off.

Once you pull the head, see if there is a ridge in the top of the bore. If so, take it to the machine shop and have it checked to see if it needs to be bored.

And yes you have to hone the cylinders if your going with new rings, no way around this.

Also, clean the block real good and take a blue shop towel (the ones that are like heavy paper towel) and use wd-40 or trans fluid on the towel to wipe the honing grit out of the bores until no more grit is present. I recomend taking the oil galley plugs out of the block to wash it and use a rifle style brush to make sure everythings spic-n-span. Then of course, engine oil on the cylinder walls so they don't rust and before you assemble the pistons back in.
Enginecraft is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 11th, 2008, 09:21 PM   #7
Mud'N'Truck
I'll Finsh One, One Day
 
Mud'N'Truck's Avatar
 
Join Date: 11-30-06
Location: Interlochen, Michigan
Posts: 2,361
iTrader: (15)
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Default

Enginecraft pretty much covered it.

22re's are pretty straight forward. Just get a manual for the truck and you'll be good.

Just go though and do a full rebuild kit. Rings, bearing, gaskets, etc. Also while you have it apart it is worth getting a performance cam for it. One of the best things i did to my motor when i had my 22re.

O and if your timing cover is cracked (there notorice for it) i have a good one that id sell ya
Mud'N'Truck is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 14th, 2008, 10:18 AM   #8
MudOnTheTires
Member
 
MudOnTheTires's Avatar
 
Join Date: 07-09-07
Location: Ashland, Ohio
Posts: 88
iTrader: (0)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Default

Thanks for the answers guys. I think I sold the truck as is so I don't have to mess with it.
If it falls through though I am pulling it and gonna rebuild.

-Sean
MudOnTheTires is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 15th, 2008, 07:41 AM   #9
kickstand
sHaMoNe!
 
kickstand's Avatar
 
Join Date: 09-20-06
Location: fenton
Posts: 31,968
iTrader: (46)
Mentioned: 41 Post(s)
Default

22re's are easy to rebuild because they are so shitty. Lots of practice.

Your timing chain may not be off, you may have an ignition "igniter" issue, it acts just like a timing issue. $300 part last time I checked. A lot less work then pulling the motor.
kickstand is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply
Great Lakes 4x4. The largest offroad forum in the Midwest > 4x4 Talk > Toyota Tech

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:13 PM.


Powered by: vBulletin, Copyright 2000 - 2012, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2014 DragonByte Technologies Ltd. Runs best on HiVelocity Hosting.
Page generated in 0.20913 seconds with 47 queries