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Old February 3rd, 2008, 02:38 AM   #1
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Just wondering, why do the conservatives hate John McCain so much? All the right wing talking heads seem to think he'll be the death of the republican party. Why? From what I've heard he's dragging the republican party, kicking and screaming, back from the extreme depths of the religious moral right and bringing it back toward the center where most of us are at.

So whats so bad about John McCain?
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Old February 3rd, 2008, 02:45 AM   #2
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i saw him on tv the other day with the governator and i can't tell ya i like or disliked him but i gotta say the man looks older than dirt!
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i saw him on tv the other day with the governator and i can't tell ya i like or disliked him but i gotta say the man looks older than dirt!
He is older than dirt.

But I think he looks damn good for 71 years old. I dream of looking that good at that age.
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maybe with a little more hair?
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Old February 3rd, 2008, 03:55 AM   #5
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maybe with a little more hair?
At my current rate of loss I'll be lucky to have what he has.
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McCain sucks. The Campaign Reform Bill sucks.
McCains Amnesty plan sucks.

Just about everything Mccain does sucks.

The fact that the MSM has a brown nose from kissing McCains butt makes him suck even more.
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Old February 3rd, 2008, 09:13 AM   #7
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Just wondering, why do the conservatives hate John McCain so much? All the right wing talking heads seem to think he'll be the death of the republican party. Why? From what I've heard he's dragging the republican party, kicking and screaming, back from the extreme depths of the religious moral right and bringing it back toward the center where most of us are at.

So whats so bad about John McCain?
I am a Libertarian not a conservative but there are three reasons for me....

1. McCain/Feingold was an attack on the first amendment.
2. He supports amnesty for illegal aliens.
3. He doesn't support lowering taxes as shown by his vote against the Bush tax cuts.

If he gets the nomination, I'll hold my nose and vote for him, because he is still a better option than Hillary or Obama. He's Liberal for a conservative but at least he's not liberal for a liberal, if you know what I mean.
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I don't hate McCain.
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I think McCain is a centrist republican, although on the scale he leans a little more liberal than Romney.

His strengths could be an ability to collaborate with a democratic congress, which might be what's needed in today's super-partisan environment. However, his position on amnesty for illegal aliens is going to hurt him with conservatives.

Another perspective on McCain (and Huckabee) is the praise and love heaped on them by their theoretical opponents ( ). There's a school of thought that says the "best" conservative candidate is the one the liberals react the most negatively to since they'll only react positively to (a) someone that shares their ideas or (b) someone they're confident they can beat.

I'm not thrilled about any of the players yet, but it's early. It's basically the election to lose, and I think there's a high likelihood that Hillary (and Bill) will implode.
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I think McCain is a centrist republican, although on the scale he leans a little more liberal than Romney.
I guess thats why he appeals to me. I see myself as a "centrist republican"

I wonder how may people that site campaign finance reform as a reason for not liking him have actually looked into the issue rather than just echoing what they heard their favorite pundit say. I agree that some of the "McCain-Feingold bill" seems to come pretty close to stepping on the first amendment and the supreme court has agreed. I do believe in the principle of reform because I'd like to see changes that would make campaign's less about who can buy the most TV spots and more about talking about issues.

As for immigration I'm not for blanket amnesty but my views aren't to far from McCain's. I'll leave that subject for a later thread.

My biggest concern about McCain as the nominee is that he'll piss off the conservatives with his views on immigration, taxes, the environment, and campaign reform, and will piss the liberals off with his views on Iraq, and many social issues, no one will vote for him, and we'll end up with the hilldabeast as our next president.

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I think Jon McCain is a great senator, and a great American.

However, I do not feel that he would be a great president. I'm not sure why I feel that way, there is just something about him that I do not like.
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i saw him on tv the other day with the governator and i can't tell ya i like or disliked him but i gotta say the man looks older than dirt!
He even admits it:

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"I am older than dirt," McCain said. "More scars than Frankenstein."
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His age really doesn't concern me all that much.

I'm not thrilled with his position on amnesty for illegal aliens, but like his odds of actually being able to work with a Pelosi congress and the existing senate.

However, I still like the idea of a "DC Outsider" in the CiC role to balance the careerists in the house and senate.

I like many of Ron Paul's ideas, but think he comes off a little nutty live and don't know how well he'd work with the house and senate (too much of a "outside insider")...
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His age really doesn't concern me all that much.

I'm not thrilled with his position on amnesty for illegal aliens, but like his odds of actually being able to work with a Pelosi congress and the existing senate.

However, I still like the idea of a "DC Outsider" in the CiC role to balance the careerists in the house and senate.

I like many of Ron Paul's ideas, but think he comes off a little nutty live and don't know how well he'd work with the house and senate (too much of a "outside insider")...
Vote all the seated cogressmen and senators out of the house and senate and tell the new guys to work with Ron Pual because in two years the rest of the dead weight is going aswell.
Time for a change.
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I also like Ron Paul, and agree about him coming off "nutty". But I don't think he has a ghost of a chance of winning a national election.
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ron paul wont win but it would be nice i liked what i've heard form him but doesn't mean anything because it's not like any pres has does what they say their gonna do. Maybe a woman would be better HAHAHA
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why do the conservatives hate John McCain so much?
First off I do not hate the man. I respect him for serving his country in Vietnam, -however-, that doesn't mean I agree with his politics.

Juan McCain is pro-war, pro illegal immigrant, and pro big government. I'm none of those things so why would I vote for him?
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Vote all the seated cogressmen and senators out of the house and senate and tell the new guys to work with Ron Pual because in two years the rest of the dead weight is going aswell.
Time for a change.
Cool, let's start with my congressperson, Kwame's Mommy. I'm sure she could lose in Detroit.

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haha, according to Chris Matthews, McCain is going to "win big" with independents and

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There is nothing wrong with McCain. The man has more military experience than any other president weve had in a long time. He is a realist and doesnt believe that sinking our country farther into debt with tax breaks is a good idea. He is not scared to dissent against his own party, which in my mind, is good since he is not a typical rank and file republican. Look what the rank and file has done to our country over the past 7 years.
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