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Old January 31st, 2008, 12:51 PM   #21
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I always get out of the way, stop whenever possible, never block access to anything. It doesnt matter what direction they are coming from, but everytime I try to consider where the emergency vehicle is going so I can best be out of the way.
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Old January 31st, 2008, 01:04 PM   #22
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Old January 31st, 2008, 01:10 PM   #23
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Old January 31st, 2008, 01:10 PM   #24
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MICHIGAN VEHICLE CODE (EXCERPT)
Act 300 of 1949

257.653 Immediate approach of authorized emergency vehicle; duty of driver of another vehicle; duty of streetcar operator; violation as civil infraction.

Sec. 653.

(1) Upon the immediate approach of an authorized emergency vehicle equipped with not less than 1 lighted flashing, rotating, or oscillating lamp exhibiting a red or blue light visible under normal atmospheric condition from a distance of 500 feet to the front of the vehicle and when the driver is giving audible signal by siren, exhaust whistle, or bell:

(a) The driver of another vehicle shall yield the right of way and shall immediately drive to a position parallel to and as close as possible to the right-hand edge or curb of the roadway, clear of an intersection, and shall stop and remain in that position until the authorized emergency vehicle has passed, except when otherwise directed by a police officer.

(b) The operator of a streetcar shall immediately stop the car, clear of an intersection, and shall keep it in that position until the authorized emergency vehicle has passed, except when otherwise directed by a police officer.

(2) This section does not relieve the driver of an authorized emergency vehicle from the duty to drive with due regard for the safety of persons using the highway.

(3) A person who violates this section is responsible for a civil infraction.


History: 1949, Act 300, Eff. Sept. 23, 1949 ;-- Am. 1951, Act 270, Eff. Sept. 28, 1951 ;-- Am. 1964, Act 7, Imd. Eff. Mar. 20, 1964 ;-- Am. 1978, Act 510, Eff. Aug. 1, 1979
This one said it all... You have a legal/moral obligation to get out of their way!!! None of us would want an emergency vehicle delayed if they are coming to help us... so yield the right of way and pull to the right. Also, when an emergency vehicle approaches an intersection they are requesting the right of way, that's why they slow to a crawl or stop. They have a responsibility to ensure that the traffic has stopped and yield the right of way to them.
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This one said it all... You have a legal/moral obligation to get out of their way!!! None of us would want an emergency vehicle delayed if they are coming to help us... so yield the right of way and pull to the right. Also, when an emergency vehicle approaches an intersection they are requesting the right of way, that's why they slow to a crawl or stop. They have a responsibility to ensure that the traffic has stopped and yield the right of way to them.

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Old January 31st, 2008, 01:22 PM   #26
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...and if you are in a hurry, put out behind an ambulance and follow them, no traffic for awhile anyways as they will all be on the shoulder!
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Old January 31st, 2008, 01:47 PM   #27
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i have been volunteer firefighter for 10 years...and it is a bitch when you are running down the road and people that are comming twards you wont get over yes you could possibly get a ticket for not yealding the right of way ......

but i ask please just slow down and get over for us is dont take but a second and its just a good thing to do cause we are trying to save lives and if we are slowed down going to do that it isnt good

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Old January 31st, 2008, 01:54 PM   #28
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yielding for a police car (getting out of the lane they are parked next to) on any freeway causes more accidents than it saves, in heavy traffic.
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Old January 31st, 2008, 02:11 PM   #29
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OK, if that's the case and your going thru a green light and get hit by an ambulance that you did not see or hear who is at fault? You legally had the right of way hence the green light, they had a red light and ran it. Who's fault?

I've never heard it as being a law, just something we all do. Are you saying it's legal for them to speed too?

It is illegal to impede traffic, but if you can't go anywhere then they will have to deal with it. Like I said, I will not leave the roadway to let anyone by.
Being a New englander (our supposedly narrow streets) with many public service connections. If you go through a green light and get hit by an ambulance... you will be charged with failure to yield.

Also we are taught to pull over and stop.
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Old January 31st, 2008, 02:18 PM   #30
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this is michigan, there is "no fault"

more than likely you will be ticketed, regardless of whether you have the normal right of way. your "legal right of way" is usurped by your requirement to yeild the right of way to an emergency/police vehicle according to the statute already posted above.

that being said - almost universally I have seen ambulances, and fire trucks come to a nearly complete stop at a 4 way intersection if cross traffic has the green/right of way and only continue on when they have come to a complete stop.

those guys are humans too, they see the results of the physics of car collisions all too frequently - so it's human nature for them to naturally want to avoid them as well...

wrong, its the driver of the emergency response vehicle duty to stop at red lights and yeild green lights. they will recieve the ticket if they run a red light and hit you.

i had our engine parked blocking a road way the other night parking brake engaged, in neutral with all warning lights on a drunk girl hit me head on. she then told the police officer that i hit her luckily there are 7 people who witnessed the accident otherwise i would probably be in court.

oh and if your only gonna have "2 beers" stay off the road.
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Old January 31st, 2008, 03:50 PM   #31
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wrong, its the driver of the emergency response vehicle duty to stop at red lights and yeild green lights. they will recieve the ticket if they run a red light and hit you.

i had our engine parked blocking a road way the other night parking brake engaged, in neutral with all warning lights on a drunk girl hit me head on. she then told the police officer that i hit her luckily there are 7 people who witnessed the accident otherwise i would probably be in court.

oh and if your only gonna have "2 beers" stay off the road.
interesting. in the communities I have worked at, the cops seemed to have a decent rapport with the fire guys and while I can't recall if any such incidents ever happened, I can't imagine any ticketing the driver of a city owned fire truck over that of someone failing to yield to an emergency vehicle. *shrug*

that being said, I have known a couple of cops that for some reason had it out for the meatwagon drivers and were always calling dispatch to see if there was a current run/transport if they happened to see an ambulance driving as under "code".

yes I understand that almost universally 1st responders come to a full stop at intersections when they have a red light, but as always there are exceptions to every "always" - and most definitely things have changed in the 20 years I've been on and off working in government.

One of the things I miss about my old job is the ability to query the snapshotted CLEMIS Database, and throw results up on a map. It would have been neat to see exactly how many municipal vehicles are involved in accidents period in a given time period, let alone at intersections and then to drill down to see if citations were issued
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Old January 31st, 2008, 09:46 PM   #32
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Even though you have a green you are still 'supposed' to look both ways before crossing.

Believe me I get out of the way and move over when I can. And as nice as these newer trucks are for reducing road noise and such sometimes you cannot hear a siren until it's almost too late. I rely more on what I can see vs what I can hear, there is a lot of noise in a truck so being able to see is very important! I know that a green light is simply a right to go thru the intersection. But I have seen various places across the US that law enforcement, and ambulances barely slow down at intersections where they have the red light! Speeding into an intersection does not give people with the green light time to react. I have seen this once that's why I brought up the question. Believe me I know how to get around and control my truck, and driving 12,000 miles + a month (that's over 144000 a year for those those who don't want to do the math) for the last 7 years and having no preventable accidents I must be doing something right!
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Old January 31st, 2008, 10:01 PM   #33
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i'm not argueing nor agreeing with anyone on here. the way i work is if i'm going down a 2 lane road and the emergency vehicle is coming twards me and there is no one in his way at all, then there is no reason i need to pull over because there is no reason the emergency vehicle should to have to cross the center of the road. if the emergency vehicle has to pass someone on my side of the road then yes i will move over, if they are coming up from behind me then i will move over. i hate it when idiots either stop in the middle of the road or pull over for no reason when the on coming vehicle does NOT need to invade my side of the road in order to pass someone. i've seen idiots stop or pull over on 4 lane roads such as dixie hwy when theres no reason to. dumbass people i tell ya.
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Old January 31st, 2008, 11:44 PM   #34
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i'm not argueing nor agreeing with anyone on here. the way i work is if i'm going down a 2 lane road and the emergency vehicle is coming twards me and there is no one in his way at all, then there is no reason i need to pull over because there is no reason the emergency vehicle should to have to cross the center of the road. if the emergency vehicle has to pass someone on my side of the road then yes i will move over, if they are coming up from behind me then i will move over. i hate it when idiots either stop in the middle of the road or pull over for no reason when the on coming vehicle does NOT need to invade my side of the road in order to pass someone. i've seen idiots stop or pull over on 4 lane roads such as dixie hwy when theres no reason to. dumbass people i tell ya.
How do you know that emergency vechical isn't going going to be turning left into that drive way just ahead of you, and if it is an ambulance, they may back in, for easier loading, and they have to sit in the middle of the road because your ignorant ass doesn't want to pull over. Then the people that called them, are looking through their window wondering why the ambulance is sitting infront of their house for 5, 10, 15 seconds. Why, because you decided you were to fukcing good to pull over for 10 seconds. Congradulations sir, you are a fukcing idiot. Take the time, get out of the way, and stop... It isn't going to hold up your every busy schedule of making shower drain babies.
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Old January 31st, 2008, 11:53 PM   #35
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I always pull over to right were possible and stop or yeild as necessary....
If it was me or my family waiting for the assistance, I would hope for the same courteousy. Don't cause an accident trying to be polite, meaning use common sense when making the passage possible!
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I dont stop unless I need to. I do slow down and yeild.

I will move over and get out of their way if they come up from behind.

If I am already stopped I do not make a large effort to move out of the way unless of course I am severely blocking their path.
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In Detroit they aim for the emergency vehicles. It's better than hitting the Lotto! Have a police car/ambulance/firetruck hit you, call Sam, get your check.. It's really sad..
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Old February 1st, 2008, 06:06 AM   #38
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i'm not argueing nor agreeing with anyone on here. the way i work is if i'm going down a 2 lane road and the emergency vehicle is coming twards me and there is no one in his way at all, then there is no reason i need to pull over because there is no reason the emergency vehicle should to have to cross the center of the road. if the emergency vehicle has to pass someone on my side of the road then yes i will move over, if they are coming up from behind me then i will move over. i hate it when idiots either stop in the middle of the road or pull over for no reason when the on coming vehicle does NOT need to invade my side of the road in order to pass someone. i've seen idiots stop or pull over on 4 lane roads such as dixie hwy when theres no reason to. dumbass people i tell ya.

What if they have to turn into the driveway or street your crossing in front of? That's why you are supposed to pull to the right and stop..
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Old February 1st, 2008, 07:13 AM   #39
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my brother in law has been a paramedic for 10 yrs. I cant tell you how many stories he has about stupid drivers. He encounters them on a daily basis.
Best tip from him is when you pull over, if they are coming up from behind, is to leave your foot on the brake so they can confirm that you are stopped and aware of them.
If you are already stopped (like in a left turn lane, etc) make sure your foot is on the brake, and dont move until they have passed.
Not only is yielding (pulling over and stopping) law, it's just common courtesy. If you are pulled over and stopped w/ your foot on the brake, it's a sign to them that you are aware of their presence and they dont have to worry about you doing something stupid. Slowing down doesnt count. There are plenty of blind/deaf old ladies out there going slow to begin with that have no clue they are approaching.
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Old February 1st, 2008, 08:06 AM   #40
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I usually speed up and swerve as much as possible. Keeps them on their toes.
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