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Old January 25th, 2008, 12:56 PM   #1
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Hello Everyone,
Here is the problem that I'm having and I hope you can help. I have a 1977 Chevy with a Dana 44 front axle. I discovered that I had over 3/4" of play in the wheel bearings on the right side. The good news was that the lock nuts had come loose, but the bearings and spindle are in great shape. The bad news is that the Spring Cup that goes between the outer locknut and the Hub Pressure Spring is junk. I have tried my local auto parts stores (NAPA, Murrays, AutoZone) and they never heard of the part or told me it wasn't needed. Any Suggestions? Where can I get it? Am I even calling it by to right name?
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Old January 25th, 2008, 01:10 PM   #2
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take a picture of it and post it. maybe someone will recognize it and let you know what it's called or where to get one.
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Old January 25th, 2008, 01:33 PM   #3
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Old January 25th, 2008, 03:20 PM   #4
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Ok, I hope this works. THe spring cup measures 2 7/8" in diameter with a 1/4" lip and I think the hole was about 1 9/16". But I'm not for sure do to the wear on it.
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Old January 25th, 2008, 03:50 PM   #5
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If that was located outside the outer lock nut, its probably considered part of the lockout assembly, which might be why they couldn't find it. Looks like a wheel bearing cup, but not thick enough.
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Old January 25th, 2008, 04:21 PM   #6
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What is a Wheel Bearing Cup? When I took the part out the lip was actually towards the wheel bearing not towards the hub. It is so worn out that It was sliding around over the top of the lock nuts so I'm not for sure, if it was on the inside or outside of the lock nuts. It does seem to fit the bearing.
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Go to NAPAonline.com, punch in your vehicle, and look up Wheel Bearing Cup under Driveline > Front Axle Parts.

If that's what is left of the wheel bearing cup, its not supposed to get past the locknuts. If it got past the locknuts, I think you're missing some other parts - like the washers with anti-rotation tabs that keep the axle nuts from turning.

I would do a Google Image search for an exploded Chevy D44 diagram if someone else like KillerB doesn't pop in to positively ID the part.
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Thats not the inner seal is it?
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Ok after much digging and checking I now know what I'm looking for but the parts stores in the Ann Arbor/Ypsi have been unable to help me. In fact the NAPA sale person told me to buy a newer truck. Oh well. In disassembling I discovered I'm missing the pressure springs part #13 on the diagram and I need to replace the spring retainer plates part #14 on the diagram. If anyone has a good idea of where to get them please let me know. Because for right now I'm putting together the truck without these parts.
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Been out to or called RT's yet in Willow Run, 485-7676, probably gonna have to find it used somewhere. Several yards in that area, someone should have it for ya.
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Ok after much digging and checking I now know what I'm looking for but the parts stores in the Ann Arbor/Ypsi have been unable to help me. In fact the NAPA sale person told me to buy a newer truck. Oh well. In disassembling I discovered I'm missing the pressure springs part #13 on the diagram and I need to replace the spring retainer plates part #14 on the diagram. If anyone has a good idea of where to get them please let me know. Because for right now I'm putting together the truck without these parts.
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Oh, you're trying to rebuild an auto hub.

Did you show the parts counter guys this diagram? If you only talked to them on the phone, that may be the problem. You're saying "hub" and they are looking among the parts that hold the hub onto the spindle, which that doesn't do. Tell them that you're looking for pieces of the factory automatic locking hub assembly. They might only list the whole thing.

If you end up having to replace the whole thing, you might as well just buy some manual locking hubs (unless you really like the auto hubs).
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I have Manual lockouts here is the complete diagram. So do I even need the Pressure Spring and the Spring retainer plate?
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You mean the one that doesn't show any kind of lockout at all?


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I have Manual lockouts here is the complete diagram. So do I even need the Pressure Spring and the Spring retainer plate?
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The complete diagram shows what you are dealing with a lot better, which is not the same as the Jeep assembly CC posted. As you can see from your parts list, you have clutch and cam parts that the FSJ assembly does not contain. His has a drive slug and is live all the time (until you swap it out for manual lockouts like he did). All the parts you are looking for are part of the auto lockout assembly. Just because you can get out and lock/unlock them by hand, doesn't mean they aren't automatic. They are designed to also be operated manually for instances where you cannot maneuver the vehicle enough to auto-engage/disengage them, or in the event that the automatic mechanism fails.

The easy route here (and probably an upgrade) would be to install true manual lockouts.
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Hello Everyone,
Just wanted let you know I found a source for the springs and spring retainer plates. Once I get the parts I will let the list know how the project goes.
Thank You For all the help,
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Here is the web site of the place that I ordered the parts from.
http://quad4x4.com/index.html
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IMHO manual hubs woulda been the way to go.
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Ok, so was looking at my hubs last night and realize that the lockouts I have are not original (I think). I have a set of Warn lockouts on the truck.Click image for larger version

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