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Old January 29th, 2008, 06:04 AM   #21
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wow your my hero!

there was signs on the other side of the road, and BTW dumbass i have "legal" maps of the entire montmorencey county. that "road" is fine.

the DNR officer up there is pretty cool. we drink at the same bar!

so this is "illegal" also



and after you turn on "elk valley trail" this is what you see

This is completely the wrong thread for this. If you really want an answer post it is rules and regulations. Or go over to glfwda.com and post it. You'll find out quick just how illegal it is. And then you'll be appologizing to , because you'll realize what a dumbass you are.
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Old January 29th, 2008, 07:38 AM   #22
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you'll realize what a dumbass you are.
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Old January 29th, 2008, 08:18 AM   #23
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atlanta is big fun in the summer time.

heres the "three sisters" hill.
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wow your my hero!

there was signs on the other side of the road, and BTW dumbass i have "legal" maps of the entire montmorencey county. that "road" is fine.

the DNR officer up there is pretty cool. we drink at the same bar!

so this is "illegal" also

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x...7/DSC02047.jpg

and after you turn on "elk valley trail" this is what you see

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x...7/DSC01924.jpg
Biggest difference being set of pictures 2 is a road a 'conventional 2wd vehicle' can pass.... picture 1 of the first post you could barely make in 4wd... hence ILLEGAL, it is not just the powerline issue.

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This is completely the wrong thread for this. If you really want an answer post it is rules and regulations. Or go over to glfwda.com and post it. You'll find out quick just how illegal it is. And then you'll be appologizing to , because you'll realize what a dumbass you are.
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Old January 29th, 2008, 11:27 AM   #24
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wow you guys are hard!

so go spew your "almighty" word to someone else.

you idiots are the reason most places are "illegal".

sorry i posted a picture of "Atlanta MI" and hijacked the thread, well actually i am NOT

the idiot with the "illegal" post ruined this so yeah!
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Old January 29th, 2008, 11:59 AM   #25
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wow you guys are hard!

so go spew your "almighty" word to someone else.

you idiots are the reason most places are "illegal".

sorry i posted a picture of "Atlanta MI" and hijacked the thread, well actually i am NOT

the idiot with the "illegal" post ruined this so yeah!
Three sisters hill may not be illegal when you ask the CO that you drink beer with, but that is one of the biggest problems in Michigan - too much is left open for the CO to interpret. The law clearly states to legally travel down one of these roads, it must be passable in 2wd.

I know Atlanta fairly well and I know right where you're standing in the picture - there is no signage around and there looks to be no attempts to block it off either. Interestingly enough, clos to that spot it gets very wet, and those spots have been blocked off.

I say, if you know a CO that allows you to wheel on a powerline, more power to you.
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Old January 29th, 2008, 12:44 PM   #26
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wow you guys are hard!

so go spew your "almighty" word to someone else.

you idiots are the reason most places are "illegal".

sorry i posted a picture of "Atlanta MI" and hijacked the thread, well actually i am NOT

the idiot with the "illegal" post ruined this so yeah!
Not really all that "hard". The guys were just pointing out that the pic of the hill on the powerline is illegal and can result in a ticket.

It's illegal for 2 reasons. First, as said before, you can't drive there in 2wd. Second, all powerlines are off limits in Michigan. Sorry but it's the truth.

I see you sport a GLFWDA sticker and in your sig. With that said, you aren't helping the sport by posting pics to the DNR that GLFWDA members trespass.
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Old January 29th, 2008, 12:50 PM   #27
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Second, all powerlines are off limits in Michigan. Sorry but it's the truth.
Is that the truth? What about the people who own the property where the powerlines travel over? Or the ones who lease the powerline property from them that travels along their property? Just curious. Because I would wonder why someone would lease that property if they can't do a thing with it.
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Old January 29th, 2008, 01:03 PM   #28
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wow you guys are hard!

so go spew your "almighty" word to someone else.

you idiots are the reason most places are "illegal".

You have not the slightest clue how many members here are trying to make the situation better for all off road enthusiasts here in Michigan. Simmer down
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Old January 29th, 2008, 02:35 PM   #29
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Second, all powerlines are off limits in Michigan. Sorry but it's the truth.
There is part of an ORV Route that runs along some powerlines North of Gladwin a bit. Roadhouse can probably tell you more exactly where they are. I have been on them a couple times with other members from here and GLFWDA.

There is a problem of not getting the same answer out of 2 different COs about things though.
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Old January 29th, 2008, 02:58 PM   #30
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Is that the truth? What about the people who own the property where the powerlines travel over? Or the ones who lease the powerline property from them that travels along their property? Just curious. Because I would wonder why someone would lease that property if they can't do a thing with it.
I don't know the answer to your question for sure, but Consumers always has easements over the property where the lines run, so it wouldn't surprise me if that applied even on private property.

We have a neighborhood going in that is crossed by a powerline... they're allowed to sell lots and build a road under the easement/r.o.w., but no houses can be put up in it.

Now, who would want to build a house next to a powerline is another story.
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Old January 29th, 2008, 03:01 PM   #31
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Now, who would want to build a house next to a powerline is another story.
I think 04 EDGE might have grown up in one.
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Old January 29th, 2008, 04:17 PM   #32
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I don't know the answer to your question for sure, but Consumers always has easements over the property where the lines run, so it wouldn't surprise me if that applied even on private property.

We have a neighborhood going in that is crossed by a powerline... they're allowed to sell lots and build a road under the easement/r.o.w., but no houses can be put up in it.

Now, who would want to build a house next to a powerline is another story.
Thanks for the response. The reason I ask this, is I personally know someone who leases the powerline area that runs across his property from the power company. I would really wonder what the point would be if he couldn't legally travel that.
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Old January 29th, 2008, 04:30 PM   #33
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Last year a couple yahoo foreigners drove their cars down the snowmobile trails to try and get into the stage past the spectator point. Had more trouble with drunk people walking through the woods, than with the snowmobilers.

LSPR gets stages closed do to specators often too, why do some insist on being asses and thinking rules don't apply to them. 5 people can ruin a rally for all the fans that traveled, from the area, state, country, and around the world. Not to mention all the drivers and racers and tech crews that spent all that time and money, then don't even get to go through a full race.

People suck

Honestly much of the time I avoid the spectator points and find other ways in myself. I can't stand fighting for space with other people especially some of the idiots. At some of the major spectator points you can't even get a decent spot unless you camp out there way early and miss the previous stage. then with all the other cars some can be a a clusterfuck. I have plenty of motor sports experience in order to pick a safe spot though, and I make sure I am well out of sight when the safety sweep goes through to make sure I don't cause any trouble.


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Old January 29th, 2008, 04:34 PM   #34
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Thanks for the response. The reason I ask this, is I personally know someone who leases the powerline area that runs across his property from the power company. I would really wonder what the point would be if he couldn't legally travel that.
They probably don't mind there because they know whose door to knock on if something gets f*cked up. :)
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Old January 29th, 2008, 05:39 PM   #35
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I think 04 EDGE might have grown up in one.

actually i grew up in ypsilanti, right of grove road walking distance from ford lake. went to ypsilanti high, class of 88.
got out 2 years ago, it was getting to "dark" if you know what i mean.

sorry i rubbed you the wrong way. i tend to think i am a responsible off roader, i buy ORV stickers every year, go out of my way to find maps and don't do any damage to the trails.
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Old January 29th, 2008, 10:33 PM   #36
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actually i grew up in ypsilanti, right of grove road walking distance from ford lake. went to ypsilanti high, class of 88.
got out 2 years ago, it was getting to "dark" if you know what i mean.

sorry i rubbed you the wrong way. i tend to think i am a responsible off roader, i buy ORV stickers every year, go out of my way to find maps and don't do any damage to the trails.

That might be worse than powerlines. I'm a west sider...
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I had a chase through there the other day ...
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Old January 30th, 2008, 01:13 PM   #38
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Is that the truth? What about the people who own the property where the powerlines travel over? Or the ones who lease the powerline property from them that travels along their property? Just curious. Because I would wonder why someone would lease that property if they can't do a thing with it.

Consumers and DTE own quite a bit of their own property for the high tension transmission lines, said property, if not leased back for alternative purposes would obviously be illegal for wheeling.

that being said, Consumers and DTE also own only easement rights for their transmission lines in many other areas. these are, much like other forms of easements, only a portion of ownership of the property. the land owner still retains certain uninfringeable rights that the power company couldn't force the owner to give up, and/or that the local government specifically may restrict through its police powers, ordinances, and such. any other restriction by government is a form of 'taking' under the powers of eminent domain (and sometimes zoning is construed as such as well) and must be compensated to the owners for.

in a nutshell, no, it's not the truth to make a blanket statement that wheeling on lands where power lines run overhead is patently illegal.

you will however still find if I recall correctly, that it is a violation of every building code in the US to put a swimming pool under them, but that doesn't stop everyone
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Old January 30th, 2008, 01:39 PM   #39
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So everyone truly knows and I know its not the place but the "Three sisters hill" is owned by a man who hates anything with four wheels. Last year I took my four wheeler up there since we own property across the street on the private road and he came out and explained to me not to do it again he was kind about it at least. Just my .02
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Consumers and DTE own quite a bit of their own property for the high tension transmission lines, said property, if not leased back for alternative purposes would obviously be illegal for wheeling.

that being said, Consumers and DTE also own only easement rights for their transmission lines in many other areas. these are, much like other forms of easements, only a portion of ownership of the property. the land owner still retains certain uninfringeable rights that the power company couldn't force the owner to give up, and/or that the local government specifically may restrict through its police powers, ordinances, and such. any other restriction by government is a form of 'taking' under the powers of eminent domain (and sometimes zoning is construed as such as well) and must be compensated to the owners for.

in a nutshell, no, it's not the truth to make a blanket statement that wheeling on lands where power lines run overhead is patently illegal.

you will however still find if I recall correctly, that it is a violation of every building code in the US to put a swimming pool under them, but that doesn't stop everyone
Thanks for the explanation. I do automatically assume that a powerline is off limits, because most of the time they are going to be, but I knew the blanket statement wasn't 100% true.
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