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Old January 17th, 2008, 08:49 PM   #21
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humm i don't seem to recall the bad part i do know they have awesome crash test ratings as the engine goes under the car, they have been in Europe now for like what 5 or 6 years? as i said would i go cross county in one no... but in town and metro areas hell yes!! also i am pretty sure you can get a convertible one or at least a targa, with a canvas back area behind the hoop that drops down. the benzo dealer just down the block got in a few tonight.. funny little things sitting on the flat bed wish i had the camera with me
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Old January 17th, 2008, 09:37 PM   #22
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theres no way in hell I'm giviing up my H2 for one of these.
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Old January 17th, 2008, 09:47 PM   #23
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theres no way in hell I'm giviing up my H2 for one of these.
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Old January 17th, 2008, 09:49 PM   #24
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humm i don't seem to recall the bad part i do know they have awesome crash test ratings as the engine goes under the car, they have been in Europe now for like what 5 or 6 years? as i said would i go cross county in one no... but in town and metro areas hell yes!! also i am pretty sure you can get a convertible one or at least a targa, with a canvas back area behind the hoop that drops down. the benzo dealer just down the block got in a few tonight.. funny little things sitting on the flat bed wish i had the camera with me
The engine may go under thae car, and the car may have an awesome safety cage, but there's not enough area to crumple in a crash and I think most of the deceleration would be transfered to the passengers.
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notice the lack of dummy in the smart car. they didn't want to trash it or show you how it was torn to shreads in the wreck. the truth doesn't sell cars.
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hey did ya know that if you did the same test with a focus, neon, cobalt or the like the I am guessing the odds are about the same? and comparing that to the H2 is like trying to compare apples and oranges..
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Old January 17th, 2008, 10:58 PM   #27
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I'd buy one. Not right now because it doesn't suit my current needs (probably would have a tough time towing the jeep) but maybe in a year or 2 I'll seriously consider it.

Safety is a relative thing. Is it safer than an H2, or any other large SUV? No, probably not. It's probably comparable in safety to any other compact car, and safer than a motorcycle.

I've never bought into the vehicular arms race. A smart would not be as safe as an H2, but your H2 would not be as safe as an M1 tank. That doesn't mean that we all need to be driving M1 tanks to be safe on the road.
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Old January 17th, 2008, 11:08 PM   #28
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they have been in Europe now for like what 5 or 6 years?
Longer than that, there were already quite a few when I was there in 2000.

They're awesome city cars.
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Old January 17th, 2008, 11:20 PM   #29
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My dad test drove one of these on the test track at Chrysler HQ earlier last year. He came back and said it would be an OK commuter car if MPG is what you are after. His only complaint was it's ability to get up to freeway speeds with 2 adults inside. He said it struggled to get to 65 and stay there. Can't blame the little car though, it's not like a big V8 in it after all.
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so whats the real mileage on these things, i've see combined averages from 40 - 58 mpg, if its even near the lower end its not worth it to me. My 91 beater Toyota averages 35-36 and will seat 5 plus has a trunk. Seats are cool though
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The engine may go under thae car, and the car may have an awesome safety cage, but there's not enough area to crumple in a crash and I think most of the deceleration would be transfered to the passengers.
The video helps show this... the violence of the smart cars impact is just crazy. So what if the shell holds up, i don't want to come to an instant stop.
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My dad just took one for a test drive yesterday. Fully loaded with everything hes looking at $16k. He put the $100 deposit down a year ago to get one of the first ones. So hes at the top of the list if he wants to do it. So we might have one within the next month or so. I'll keep you posted.

Three downsides he said were:
  1. No spare tire, but comes with its own special bottle of fix a flat.
  2. Only takes premium gas and no diesel option currently.
  3. Tires can't be rotated because they're wider tires in the rear.
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Old January 17th, 2008, 11:24 PM   #33
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I talked to a guy in Canada in October who had a diesel one. He said he got about 75 mpg in it. I was talking to him at the Niagara Falls border crossing and he had just driven from Toronto, where he filled his tank, and the needle hadn't left the full mark. He was a big guy and said it was comfortable. Also, optioned out w/ leather, power everything, etc. he said he paid around 15K for it.
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hey did ya know that if you did the same test with a focus, neon, cobalt or the like the I am guessing the odds are about the same? and comparing that to the H2 is like trying to compare apples and oranges..
I think the odds on anything with more pronounced crumple zones would be more in favor of surviving, but not by much at that speed.
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Old January 18th, 2008, 07:03 AM   #35
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My dad test drove one of these on the test track at Chrysler HQ earlier last year. He came back and said it would be an OK commuter car if MPG is what you are after. His only complaint was it's ability to get up to freeway speeds with 2 adults inside. He said it struggled to get to 65 and stay there. Can't blame the little car though, it's not like a big V8 in it after all.
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I talked to a guy in Canada in October who had a diesel one. He said he got about 75 mpg in it. I was talking to him at the Niagara Falls border crossing and he had just driven from Toronto, where he filled his tank, and the needle hadn't left the full mark. He was a big guy and said it was comfortable. Also, optioned out w/ leather, power everything, etc. he said he paid around 15K for it.

Sigh. Proof positive that if you want good fuel economy, you need to get rid of substantial weight and engine performance.

Though...I am kinda baffled why they would require premium only (not referring to the diesel Rick mentions)
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Old January 18th, 2008, 07:40 AM   #36
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The new one being introduced into the US has a 1000 cc 3 cylinder engine, pretty much like a motorcycle engine so it has high compression. It is sold as a city commuter car, not highway travel. At 8.8 ft long I can fit 3 per stall in my garage ;) I figure if I take out the passenger seat my mastiff could get into it - heh.
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Old January 18th, 2008, 08:42 AM   #37
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Makes me laugh how many people think they 'need' a large vehicle to be safe. It is circular, people want an pickup because it's bigger and safer, then well everyone has those so they want something bigger and more safe... (International CXT anyone? Yes I know this is an extreme example) blah if people all would downsize a little we wouldn't have to worry about it as much. Big SUV's are the epitome of excess IMO when used as a DD.

Suburbans have a place, Tahoes, and the H2 can too even though it is a lux version. If you use it to tow, haul, wheel etc everyday that is fine, but there is no reason to DD one other then people feel they need the large vehicle every single day so they can feel good and 'safe' and they can afford the fuel bill even though a smaller vehicle would do the same damn thing.

Yetti you have a pass, you are tall as all hell and I don't think you would fit in a small vehicle :tonka:
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Makes me laugh how many people think they 'need' a large vehicle to be safe.
x2. I have a history of 'beating the odds' with my gokartish vehicles over the years. 3 honda crx's, two miata's, a vw rabbit, a civic hatch si.

while violent - real world accidents are rarely as depicted in the video above.

the frontal offset test performed by Mercedes is a bit more realistic, and shows the partial elasticity of both cars crumple zones. As for the concrete barrier - they indicated in the video that it'd be like "losing control and hitting the central divider".

uhm... the very act of losing control at 70 mph scrubs off so much speed that one still would not be lined up to nearly 90º angle as shown, and still be traveling at 70 mph.

re: the smart car - the one thing that would be a bit unnerving is driving it on city freeways with the large number of road-raged SUVs and late running, mocha drinking, makeup putting on soccer moms - in particular I wouldn't trust the bumper heights to match up very well. Another of the things that I really don't like for the smart car, compared to the other small hatches, and commuter-esque sport compacts is the very limited interior space. Even my miata has a trunk where I can secure something out of site.

oh, and the top speed of 90 mph, and a 13 second zero to sixty time :tonka: getting out accelerated by lawn mowers, and senior citizens on their mobility carts would be embarrassing
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notice the lack of dummy in the smart car. they didn't want to trash it or show you how it was torn to shreads in the wreck. the truth doesn't sell cars.
though they didn't trash it but at the end they were pretty clear that the passengers most likely wouldn't have lived through it.

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hey did ya know that if you did the same test with a focus, neon, cobalt or the like the I am guessing the odds are about the same? and comparing that to the H2 is like trying to compare apples and oranges..
If I was going to be in a 70mph crash and I had to choose between the Smart, the Neon, focus, and cobalt. I wouldn't pick the smart, but I think you likliehood of living in that type of crash in any of them wouldn't be good.

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The video helps show this... the violence of the smart cars impact is just crazy. So what if the shell holds up, i don't want to come to an instant stop.
Me either, I think your organs woud become puree'd


If I was looking for a crazy commuter car and I wanted to drop $15K, I'd consider it though.. . .
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Here's a pic of the structure of the smart car I took at NAIAS Saturday....
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