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Old January 23rd, 2008, 09:31 PM   #141
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where in the bible does it say that sex is for procreation only? you need to read song of solomon! speaking of sex for pleasure... I gotta go
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Old January 23rd, 2008, 09:45 PM   #142
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where in the bible does it say that sex is for procreation only? you need to read song of solomon! speaking of sex for pleasure... I gotta go
Couldn't tell ya, I guess it's just the Catholic's interpretation of what the Bible says! Again, it's all open to interpretation!
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Old January 24th, 2008, 08:24 AM   #143
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Even if it pre-Known you cannot change the known, ex. If God knows I am going to turn right at the corner,and I assume he knows this before I get there, If I decide to go left, I made a choice, and also made God wrong, because I was Known to turn right. So I don't know but I am pretty sure my decision cannot trump God's decision.
That's pretty close to what I've come to as far as Free will and all that; except the part were you're proving God wrong. He knew that you knew that he knew you'd turn right so he knew you would turn left instead. (If it confuses anyone, Just read it a couple of times...It'll come to you) You can't Hide that from God. The thing about Christians is we Listen to his Word and Follow his will. IMO, I'd rather listen to someone who can see whats goign to happen to me and Who cares for my Eternal Well being then try to Bumble around in the dark by myself.

I also agree that you can't change the Known. And by that I mean what We as Humans know. Which is, what has already happened. I believe that our paths are not Fixed. They can Change. God knows what paths will lead to Hades and what paths will lead to heaven. His/Our jobs is to get you his children on the right path before it's too late.

Oh, one more thing, If we want to start a Convo About Predestination I'm all about it. But maybe we should start another thread? I donna know.

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Old January 24th, 2008, 01:40 PM   #144
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Oh, one more thing, If we want to start a Convo About Predestination I'm all about it. But maybe we should start another thread? I donna know.
Pretty deep shit for a bunch of Jeepers.... Imagine, sitting around the campfire, belching, farting, and arguing quantum physics, Aristotle, the pope, what happens to us when we die, and who makes the best winch........ "Gimme' another beer (*uuurp*).... No, I don't believe that essence precedes existence (*urp*) cuz you can't have a purpose until you're born and figure out (*hic*) what it is".....

Go ahead LC4X... Start that thread!
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So no it's not alright to ignore the law for your own agenda, even if you think it's God's will. If you truly believe in God and his power you have to realize that he can change or do anything he wants when he wants and how he wants.
The questions were rhetorical.
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So Mr. Toes has this great idea to start a thread arguing the bible because of a remark I made about Adam and Eve...... So I guess we start there:

1. Did god create JUST Adam and Eve, or were there others he created at the same time?

2. If there were more, how do you know that?

3. If he created JUST Adam and Eve, and they had kids, and their kids had kids, and so on, wouldn't we all be products of incest?

Let the games begin!

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The thing about Christians is we Listen to his Word and Follow his will. IMO, I'd rather listen to someone who can see whats goign to happen to me and Who cares for my Eternal Well being then try to Bumble around in the dark by myself.
So if he knew that you were going to become a heroine addict and develop a penchant for chewing on glass you would go along with it and say it's gods will?
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That's pretty close to what I've come to as far as Free will and all that; except the part were you're proving God wrong. He knew that you knew that he knew you'd turn right so he knew you would turn left instead. (If it confuses anyone, Just read it a couple of times...It'll come to you) You can't Hide that from God. The thing about Christians is we Listen to his Word and Follow his will. IMO, I'd rather listen to someone who can see whats goign to happen to me and Who cares for my Eternal Well being then try to Bumble around in the dark by myself.

I also agree that you can't change the Known. And by that I mean what We as Humans know. Which is, what has already happened. I believe that our paths are not Fixed. They can Change. God knows what paths will lead to Hades and what paths will lead to heaven. His/Our jobs is to get you his children on the right path before it's too late.

Oh, one more thing, If we want to start a Convo About Predestination I'm all about it. But maybe we should start another thread? I donna know.

So if it's already known what I am ging to do, and that's what's going to happen anyway, why then:

1. are the "saved" trying to save everyone else?
2. are we going through this excercise in the first place?



And if god can do what he wants when he wants, then that means that the world may not end the way the bible says because god may change his mind?

Please, clarify this.
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The questions were rhetorical.
So where the answers.























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Pretty deep shit for a bunch of Jeepers.... Imagine, sitting around the campfire, belching, farting, and arguing quantum physics, Aristotle, the pope, what happens to us when we die, and who makes the best winch........ "Gimme' another beer (*uuurp*).... No, I don't believe that essence precedes existence (*urp*) cuz you can't have a purpose until you're born and figure out (*hic*) what it is".....

Go ahead LC4X... Start that thread!
Why did you capitolize Aristotle and not THE POPE. After all he is the head of The Church. And we know you have a direct line to his office.
No camp fire without some (notice this is definetley capitolized) Crown (uu my mouth is watering) Royal.














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So if it's already known what I am ging to do, and that's what's going to happen anyway, why then:

1. are the "saved" trying to save everyone else?
2. are we going through this excercise in the first place?



And if god can do what he wants when he wants, then that means that the world may not end the way the bible says because god may change his mind?

Please, clarify this.

Hm....Here we go.

First off, He's God. We're human. From my Point of view, how can the Created understand the Creator? We can try, but I'm sure no human will be right.

God knows what's going to happen. However, what leads us either way (Heaven or Hell) Is our choice. God has chosen to not have control on our Choices. Our choices are what take us To Heaven or Hell, Not God. He can See what we're going to do and Judging by if we follow his will or not is our choice. Once we do decide to follow his will is when he can invade our lives and Better us. I think it would suck to be God. To know even before a child is born what he/she's Going to do in their life and were they will end up and not be able to change their heart. Not because he can't, but because he chooses to let them live their lives.

To answer the "why do the saved try and save people" question.
Same reason, God uses us to speak to his lost. He can use us to Influence that decision. Confused yet? I am.

OH, and I'd rather not start a Thread on This because it makes my head hurt. IT took me way too long for me to think this and type it.

I'm going to bed, My brain is tired.
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Old January 24th, 2008, 10:22 PM   #152
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Here's another question for you since the Bible and GOD are fact. According to the Catholic church and the Bible sex is for procreation only.
I don't believe there is any real biblical support for that particular position.

You have to remember that the Catholic church is not based on the bible. It is based on the bible, apocrypha, as well as various traditions.

If you think this is a small stumbling block then read up on the Protestant Reformation.
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I don't believe there is any real biblical support for that particular position.

You have to remember that the Catholic church is not based on the bible. It is based on the bible, apocrypha, as well as various traditions.

If you think this is a small stumbling block then read up on the Protestant Reformation.
It don't matter to me what they think. They can believe what they want, just as you can believe as you wish and I as I wish. I was just making the point that everyone interprets things different. I don't know Where the catholics come up with their ideals?
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I don't know Where the catholics come up with their ideals?
I answered that question in my last post.

My earlier point was that Protestants and Catholics have arrived at different conclusions on some issues because they are reading different books.
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so how many different versions of the bible are there?
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As many as are needed, apparently.
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so how many different versions of the bible are there?
Without getting too technical (I have entire books on this subject) most Christian churches use the standard sixty-six book bible that starts in Genesis and Ends in Revelation.

The Catholic bibles (NAB, etc) have those books, but also include the books of Maccabees, Sirach, Baruch, etc. The authenticity of those books are highly disputable.
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Without getting too technical (I have entire books on this subject) most Christian churches use the standard sixty-six book bible that starts in Genesis and Ends in Revelation.

The Catholic bibles (NAB, etc) have those books, but also include the books of Maccabees, Sirach, Baruch, etc. The authenticity of those books are highly disputable.
isn't that the case with all versions? Hence the topic of this thread?
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I don't believe there is any real biblical support for that particular position.

You have to remember that the Catholic church is not based on the bible. It is based on the bible, apocrypha, as well as various traditions.

If you think this is a small stumbling block then read up on the Protestant Reformation.
Very well said!
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isn't that the case with all versions? Hence the topic of this thread?
Even BETTER said!
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