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Old January 15th, 2008, 11:04 AM   #1
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Default Computer nerds unite! Reformat question

I've reformatted a few drives in my day, but this one has me a little stumped.

This computer is set up with a small (5gb) IDE drive that has only the operating system on it, then another 250gm SATA drive for all the goodies. I need to whipe both drives clean and reinstall XP, so i booted from the windows CD, but when i get to the screen that shows all the partitions and such, only the 5gb drive is showing up.

How would i go about clearing the 250gb drive?

On a side note, is it really worth having two drives or should i just condense it all onto one?
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Old January 15th, 2008, 11:07 AM   #2
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I'm not entirely sure why its not showing the other drive... But if you just install windows on the 5GB drive then your can wipe the 250 from windows when you get to that point.

I think its a great idea to keep all your stuff on its own drive. Than you have it all backed up kinda.... And if the OS fails its just a 5g drive (fast reformatting) Thats my preference, I have external backup drives myself but I also just have a laptop... With lots of extras
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Old January 15th, 2008, 11:09 AM   #3
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I would give you my thoughts, but then Lothos will post and completely disagree with whatever I say. So why don't you just wait for him to post. Kind of cut out the middle man, if you know what I mean..
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Old January 15th, 2008, 11:23 AM   #4
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Is the 250g drive in a raid array? That may be your issue.
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Old January 15th, 2008, 11:29 AM   #5
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according to numerous similar posts at experts-exchange. (this one about a new acer laptop)

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Your laptop uses a SATA Hard disk which post-dates windows XP. For windows XP to be able to see it you need to download a driver for the disk controller and provide this to XP during the initial phase of the installation - either by providing it on a floppy disk or by slipstreaming it with windows onto a cd with a utility like nlite http://www.nliteos.com/
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Old January 15th, 2008, 11:38 AM   #6
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Did you puke yet?
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Old January 15th, 2008, 12:22 PM   #7
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Did you puke yet?

Not since Thanksgiving. Going strong!

I guess the simpelest soultion is to reformat the 5gb drive and reinstall XP, then just format the 250 drive in windows.
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Old January 15th, 2008, 12:28 PM   #8
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if you're just purging the 250 drive, I'd recomend an actual hard drive eraser utility.

I like this handy one: http://sourceforge.net/projects/eraser/ which will work directly from within windows and overwrites and rewrites the sectors on the hard drive depending on which algorithm you choose/set up.
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Old January 15th, 2008, 12:44 PM   #9
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according to numerous similar posts at experts-exchange. (this one about a new acer laptop)
x2 you need to press F6 during the windows xp cd boot (your prompted right when the screen goes blue) in order to install 3rd party drivers
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Old January 15th, 2008, 12:48 PM   #10
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there is a point when booting off the setup cd that you press the "S" button I believe to install driver disks for any items that there isn't a driver for on the xp install cd. XP does not have a native sata driver and thus needs one loaded at this phase to see the drive in the installation destination choice list. SCSI devices also most of the time require the device driver loaded in this manner as well as raid arrays.


Couple questions now and statements.

1. a hard drive for the operating system alone is a wise choice, but a 5gb drive is a poor choice in this manner because the OS will want not only virtual memory on the same physical drive, but there are some programs that will only function if installed on the system. IE: you can't simply take the program folder as installed to another machine and get it to run.

2. SATA is a much faster drive interface than IDE and as such will make your machine run much faster if you have the OS on the SATA drive instead of the IDE. It will run faster still if you remove the IDE drive altogether.

3. why do you feel the need to DOD-like scrub your hard drive? Hard drive failures are typically the result of overused drives. Constant defragging and drive scrubbing accellerate this failure time period. There is no virus/malware I have seen thus far that will survive a partition delete/recreate and normal format.
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I would give you my thoughts, but then Lothos will post and completely disagree with whatever I say. So why don't you just wait for him to post. Kind of cut out the middle man, if you know what I mean..
I feel somewhat the same way about other subject matters and other people here. But that never stops me from opening my stupid mouth sometimes.
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Old January 15th, 2008, 12:55 PM   #12
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I wouldnt waste my time with that little 5gig drive. Yank it. Hook the larger one up as your master and partition it into a C: and D:. C: for the operating system and D for you storage and stuff. When setting up the partions, remember to leave enough room for other programs. I would go like 10 gig on C and 240 on D. It works out nicely.
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3. why do you feel the need to DOD-like scrub your hard drive? Hard drive failures are typically the result of overused drives. Constant defragging and drive scrubbing accellerate this failure time period. There is no virus/malware I have seen thus far that will survive a partition delete/recreate and normal format.
if he is selling, retiring, giving it away, or scrapping the machine I'd perform that level of scrub.

else, who knows he may have gotten a RIAA/MPAA scare *shrug*
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Old January 15th, 2008, 12:58 PM   #14
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if he is selling, retiring, giving it away, or scrapping the machine I'd perform that level of scrub.

else, who knows he may have gotten a RIAA/MPAA scare *shrug*
These days theres too many ways to get info off hard drives. I wouldnt sell a computer these days that had a HD in it with your personal info on it. HDs arent expensive anymore and if you wanted to sell it, put a new 80 gig in or something with just the OS.
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Throw that slow 5gig'er away, listen to Lothos, press f6 install the SATA drivers for your mother board and partition the 250gig into a couple of drives. Just make the windows drive large enough for some swap file space.
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I would not mess with an OS partition any smaller than 40-60gb myself.

Winxp is 3.2gb
MS Office 3-5gb

just as a couple things.
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These days theres too many ways to get info off hard drives. I wouldnt sell a computer these days that had a HD in it with your personal info on it. HDs arent expensive anymore and if you wanted to sell it, put a new 80 gig in or something with just the OS.
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FYI, HD platters can be melted with a nice MAPP gas torch for good disposal.
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FYI, HD platters can be melted with a nice MAPP gas torch for good disposal.
Yes to that. Ive heard of a couple horror stories. Use it for target practice, smash it with a BFH, anything these days. To many dishonest smart people out there.
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The system belonged to a friend of mine. Very nice setup, he paid $1800 to have it built about a year ago. Anyhow one day he went to boot it, but had no video, so he went out and bought a new Dell :tonka::tonka::tonka:

So i gave him $17 for it (all the cash i had in my pocket at the time), took it home, disassembled and cleaned everything, reseated and thermal pasted all the components and she fired up. So basically now im just trying to clear all his BS off (which is ALOT). Its got some Malware and a few other annoying things going on. Also just as a courtesy to him. I know i wouldnt want one of my buddies using a computer with all my private stuff on it.
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The system belonged to a friend of mine. Very nice setup, he paid $1800 to have it built about a year ago. Anyhow one day he went to boot it, but had no video, so he went out and bought a new Dell :tonka::tonka::tonka:

So i gave him $17 for it (all the cash i had in my pocket at the time), took it home, disassembled and cleaned everything, reseated and thermal pasted all the components and she fired up. So basically now im just trying to clear all his BS off (which is ALOT). Its got some Malware and a few other annoying things going on. Also just as a courtesy to him. I know i wouldnt want one of my buddies using a computer with all my private stuff on it.
Pitch the 5 gig. It will just slow ya down. You dont even have to partition the 250 if you dont want to.
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