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Old January 13th, 2008, 08:17 PM   #1
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So, I am reviewing the cost structure of a tier 1 plant tonight.
The fully fringed labor rate of an hourly operator is $7 more an hour than a degreed engineer.

LOL

Skilled trades is almost $10 > an hour than the engineer.

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Old January 13th, 2008, 08:19 PM   #2
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uhh, duh.
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Old January 13th, 2008, 08:19 PM   #3
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is that including bennies though for both ?
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is that including bennies though for both ?
hence the fully fringed part
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skilled trades...ha...more like skilled lazy...you should tell the company to fire all the old timers and hire some fresh young workers for pennies on the dollar...profit for big companies is good for everybody!
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uhh, duh.
please give me facts on how you would know this other than pure speculation.
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skilled trades...ha...more like skilled lazy...you should tell the company to fire all the old timers and hire some fresh young workers for pennies on the dollar...profit for big companies is good for everybody!
they have > 10 classifications of skilled labor as well
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please give me facts on how you would know this other than pure speculation.
umm, since all of my family besides my dad is in skilled trades at GM, except for my uncle who is an engineer there.

since I knew that the skilled trades make more then the engineers, I figured you would since your in the business.

Two of my cousins are electrical skilled trades, and they make more working one holiday then I make all week.
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umm, since all of my family besides my dad is in skilled trades at GM, except for my uncle who is an engineer there.
I said tier 1
They have lower wage rates. It is becoming rare to see a supplier pay an OEM wage + benefit
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I said tier 1
They have lower wage rates. It is becoming rare to see a supplier pay an OEM wage + benefit
I don't know what tier 1 is.
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hence the fully fringed part
yes, but is that also bennies included on the engineers as well?
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I don't know what tier 1 is.
tier 1 = supplier to the oem

I laughed looking at real $$ amounts.

The guy doing unskilled assembly makes $7/hour more than the engineer. Skilled labor is a "little" more justifiable than unskilled
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Old January 13th, 2008, 08:28 PM   #13
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I don't know what tier 1 is.
thats because your playing dumb because sol goode called you out and you have nothing to back it
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yes, but is that also bennies included on the engineers as well?
hence the fully fringed part
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what is a tier 2 company?
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Not sure what tier 1 plant your looking at, but the company I work for is tier 1 and it is lucky we are even able to put food on the table...lol.
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Old January 13th, 2008, 08:43 PM   #17
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what is a tier 2 company?
tier 1 is a direct supplier
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I'm union skilled trade and I don't make near what engineers make.
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is that new hire engineers though vs uaw?
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It is a normalized cost of an engineer per hour.

some engineers were more, some were less. I needed to normalize the costs
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