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Old April 2nd, 2008, 11:54 AM   #61
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First off dickhead, your rails and my bumpers are two different things. If you read the entire thread you would have seen that I said they do good looking work on tj's cj's and zj's. I am not a welder or a fab guy and have never claimed to be, which is prob why the bumpers left with me. If I had been a fab guy or a welder they would not have left with me. I didnt run to DT to show him my bumpers, I do biz with him and had to pick up some vynil. Also, I was recomended to neil from someone else who I thought to be credible. The agreement has been a process, and it sucks that it got aired out on the boards, but most of it will get edited out if things work out. But I almost feel obligated now because of dicks like you to post these pics, even though the agreement neil and I are working on, requires me not to. But now that MY CREDIBILITY as well as DT'S is at stake you are putting them in jepordy or more exposure with these pics. Neil and paul I am sure would not like to have these out there because of you I am sure. So you should just shut your mouth, and mid your biz.

ok asshat! it sucks it got aired on the board, you aired it before ther was a chance to rectify the situation, and by you starting in this thread by spouting off, pretty much opened it up for ppl to chim in on ok A.J, dont spout off and not expect ppl to tell you to quit crying and deal with it professionally, and like adults. and DT should know who i am, not saying im anyone important, cause im not, but i think hes big enough to defend himself.
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Old April 2nd, 2008, 12:38 PM   #62
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They had a chance to rectify it and didn't. I'm just going off what I was told and I wasn't there. I posted up here for James because he just figured he was just screwed. I knew he would get bashed and everyone in the club would take Neils side if he posted by himself which is exactly what is happening.

But just as I wasn't there, neither was anyone else beside James, Paul, and Neil so just assumingly taking Neil and Pauls side and calling James names is bullshit. HE TRIED to let them fix the bumpers and they didn't. He tried to get his money back and couldn't. And just because they built all their buddies bumpers awsome doesn't mean these were built even close to right.

But unlike most of you, I HAVE seen them in person. The front bumper was crooked on two axis's. Down by at least 1/2 in on the drivers side and tipped like a snowplow forward. None of the bolts were correct (size or grade) They reused factory Clips. There was bolts with no washers, lock washers, or locknuts. Some were already pulling through the holes. Even if the D rings were welded front and back (which I still don't believe) the mounting brackets were but welded to the rear of the bumper. The holes were wopped out so bad there was no metal left on some of them. In the rear, the bumper was too high so the hatch was hitting it. The bracket holes back there were also wopped out too big and incorrect bolts used. It was bolted onto the stock mounting location which is just 2 pieces of 16 gauge sheet metal. There was no extra support or anything on the back to keep it from pulling through. The reciever wouldn't accept a hitch. The D rings were not even close to round (which is just cosmetic) and in my opinion, most of the welds weren't up to par for a recovery and towing bumper front and rear. IS that a big enough list of shit to make it a legit complaint?

You can't be pissed at James for that. If I hadn't said anything he would have been screwed and out $425 so blame me. If this company had been owned by someone in some other state, the whole board would have been behind James, but because it's a members company and they have lots of friends here, James is a bad guy?
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They had a chance to rectify it and didn't. I'm just going off what I was told and I wasn't there. I posted up here for James because he just figured he was just screwed. I knew he would get bashed and everyone in the club would take Neils side if he posted by himself which is exactly what is happening.

But just as I wasn't there, neither was anyone else beside James, Paul, and Neil so just assumingly taking Neil and Pauls side and calling James names is bullshit. HE TRIED to let them fix the bumpers and they didn't. He tried to get his money back and couldn't. And just because they built all their buddies bumpers awsome doesn't mean these were built even close to right.

But unlike most of you, I HAVE seen them in person. The front bumper was crooked on two axis's. Down by at least 1/2 in on the drivers side and tipped like a snowplow forward. None of the bolts were correct (size or grade) They reused factory Clips. There was bolts with no washers, lock washers, or locknuts. Some were already pulling through the holes. Even if the D rings were welded front and back (which I still don't believe) the mounting brackets were but welded to the rear of the bumper. The holes were wopped out so bad there was no metal left on some of them. In the rear, the bumper was too high so the hatch was hitting it. The bracket holes back there were also wopped out too big and incorrect bolts used. It was bolted onto the stock mounting location which is just 2 pieces of 16 gauge sheet metal. There was no extra support or anything on the back to keep it from pulling through. The reciever wouldn't accept a hitch. The D rings were not even close to round (which is just cosmetic) and in my opinion, most of the welds weren't up to par for a recovery and towing bumper front and rear. IS that a big enough list of shit to make it a legit complaint?

You can't be pissed at James for that. If I hadn't said anything he would have been screwed and out $425 so blame me. If this company had been owned by someone in some other state, the whole board would have been behind James, but because it's a members company and they have lots of friends here, James is a bad guy?
im not saying hes a bad guy, i dont know him, and it dont matter if its vynals, bumpers, or a flower arrangement, you look it over and agree to the quality of the work, or you dont take the merchandise, and if you thought he would get ganged up on, you should have been the adult and called them as a mediator for james, but it was brought into an open forum, so it seems, if you were just out to help your buddy, just like were helping our buddies, it would not have become public, and this thread wouldnt be where its at, and your right, you heard james side ONLY, and i've heard neil and pauls side ONLY
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Well, without pics, the list and what's been posted is pretty damming. There are times a newbie takes posession of something before he realizes it was wrong.

cliffnotes as I can understand them:
vendor lets poor workmanship slip out door
newbie doesn't realize it's poor workmanship till after it's pointed out to him
newbie tries to contact vendor & get it rectified without good success
once it comes on line, vendor doesn't remember what he charged till after he was reminded.

now vendor plans to make it right & make newbie happy.

do I pretty much have it?
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do I pretty much have it?
I think you missed the part where the vendor wants to make it right with the customer AFTER thousands of people see it online and realizes that it needs to be handled correctly.

this is all based on hear-say so it could be as skewed as the original events and price
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do I pretty much have it?
you missed the step where vendor bad mouths owner of gl4x4 to numerous customers but continues to sell stuff on gl4x4.

Of course I've never heard said vendor say this, but have heard from three different sources.
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you missed the step where vendor bad mouths owner of gl4x4 to numerous customers but continues to sell stuff on gl4x4.

Of course I've never heard said vendor say this, but have heard from three different sources.
I dunno that he said she said bullshit should count. Let's play the face to face game.
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does anyone on this site know where i can get some bumpers made for a reasonable price?
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I hear that JP fabs speak for themselves :tonka:
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does anyone on this site know where i can get some bumpers made for a reasonable price?
Contact Ironman on this site. And if you want a certified welder, his certs are top notch. Can you say certified steam pipe welder for Dow Chemical?
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Okay time for me to defend more i guess.

Ryan does not know the whole story at all.

Did we mess up yes and i said so from the get go. We offered to refund him right from the get go on this topic.

James and i have worked this out to make every one happy. We have not change our position on what was said to him from the get go on what they would be. For those that think other wise then you have no clue what was said between james and myself on the phone.

Ryan before you make a claim rather something is welded on both sides you should have the facts first. As for the reciever, i used the same size steel on that as i have any other reciever we have done including my own and mine works just fine.

Kelly as for what was or has been said i will talk to you about this personally.
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You want 2 awesome bumpers made for a whole 300.00. Do you realize how much steel cost us for those bumpers.
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Not even close to $300 for two bumpers...
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I never said it took 300 in steel. But should a person make a couple dollars for there time.
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Yes, for good work and you seem to put out mostly good work. Try to keep it that way
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Trust me we do. Every company has a job that goes all wrong no matter what.

We will make James happy.
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I never said it took 300 in steel. But should a person make a couple dollars for there time.
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you missed the step where vendor bad mouths owner of gl4x4 to numerous customers but continues to sell stuff on gl4x4.
Nobody cares about that part.
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Kelly is an asshole.

Now, who wants to buy some penis?
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