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Old April 9th, 2008, 07:57 AM   #201
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ummm....... I do as a matter of fact. I've flown half way around the world at less than a week's notice to satisfy a disgruntled customer. And I stand by the fact that James should not have had to edit his posts. Should have never been discussed.
I don't remember any of your posts bothering me. Some people made unintellegent comments because they feel that owning a business makes you rich by default.

Do you actually own the business or are you an employee? I'm not being a dick, but there is a huge difference. If you own the business and have to fly around the world for customer service you completly understand what I'm talking about. If you are employeed but you job is to handle the the occasional problem with the customer, you are doing what you need to do as part of your job. I'm sure you are also a dedicated employee and a hard worker. Anyhoo, if you are flying around the world doing stuff, it sounds like you've got a pretty cool job.

I'm guess I'm pro business on this thread by default. I think I felt the need to
defend the business owner(s) because I've been down the road of starting a business and struggling to build a customer base, take home a check, and keep the lights on.

And lastly........I'm on Jame's side of this problem too. He got alittle upset at one of my posts but making him mad was not my intention. I feel he got a turd product and had every right to be upset. He got his money back and all parties involved can part ways in a respectable manner.
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Old April 9th, 2008, 08:05 AM   #202
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And lastly........I'm on Jame's side of this problem too. He got alittle upset at one of my posts but making him mad was not my intention.
You're not alone on that one.
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Old April 9th, 2008, 08:09 AM   #203
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Are you referencing when he own3d you like no other earlier in this thread? :tonka:
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Old April 9th, 2008, 08:12 AM   #204
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The only way this will ever be solved is if someone comes to my house and fixes my steering box....really, it's the ONLY way.
huh?

Did Nosilla screw up your steering box? If not then what does that comment mean?
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Are you referencing when he own3d you like no other earlier in this thread? :tonka:
If he hadn't finally posted the pictures after I said that, this bullshit would probably still be dragging on and people wouldn't have believed him. They should have been in the very first post he made, although nobody really needed to know the contents of the PM - only that he did indeed send it.


This is not directed at XJ-James, but to everybody:

If you're going to open your mouth about quality issues in the interest of both protecting the masses and obtaining resolution for yourself, don't do it half-assed. Have the proof ready before you even post.
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The only way this will ever be solved is if someone comes to my house and fixes my steering box....really, it's the ONLY way.
Naw, your lying!
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If he hadn't finally posted the pictures after I said that, this bullshit would probably still be dragging on and people wouldn't have believed him. They should have been in the very first post he made, although nobody really needed to know the contents of the PM - only that he did indeed send it.
Call it what you want, but this is how it looked to the world:

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White rhino. we told James we would refund is money right from the get go.

He called 2 days after this all started and we work out when we would take take of it.

He mentioned not i that he was gonna edit his post some because it got out of hand. And of coarse i said thank you for that. I did not make it a condition of the solution at all.
Fair enough. Earlier on it sounded like is was a condition of the refund. I'm glad that I misunderstood that.

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Do you actually own the business or are you an employee? I'm not being a dick, but there is a huge difference. If you own the business and have to fly around the world for customer service you completly understand what I'm talking about. If you are employeed but you job is to handle the the occasional problem with the customer, you are doing what you need to do as part of your job. I'm sure you are also a dedicated employee and a hard worker. Anyhoo, if you are flying around the world doing stuff, it sounds like you've got a pretty cool job.
Actually both. I have owned my own custom wood working business for about 12 years. I do custom CNC routing on the side.

Second, no, I report directly to the owners, who 3 out of 4 are retired. I am the person responsible for ALL warranty and customer relations. So, even though it's not my money, IT IS MY ASS and also a reflection on my wage and bonus program. The reason that I am in this position is that I understand customer relations and what it takes. Case in point; I was sent out to a customer where we had screwed up more than once. Some of the issues were ours, some were theirs but it boiled down to communication. It was a necessary trip but my boss told me, "you're going to get kicked out of there but you need to go anyway". Didn't happen, I came home with a satisfied customer and a new order. Another case in point, we had a $300,000 job that went overseas where the email communication indicated that the entire job was going to be sent back. I went over there, met with the customer and negotiaited a $15,000 settlement AND, a new order from a different part of the mill.

I once had a customer tell me this and it has stuck with me ever since;
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No, UP ROKTOY, this just seems to be the thread that never ends and it seems like everybody else is just posting crap to keep it going. I'm just being an ass.
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Stop whining about me throwing out the K&N filter and get over it, you cheap Jew.
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I saw some bumpers you built the other day for an XJ. I'm not sure what the deal was but I hope those aren't what you are producing for resale. I could find 6 or 7 things wrong right away. I'm just stating this because the guy brought them to me to fix them.
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Trust me, I was being polite. I didn't even know who built them when I saw them. I was surprised when I found out because I thought Neil and Paul were pretty good at building.
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I will get pics up later tonight. They built my xj bumpers and dirty turlte is being polite. After they messed with them for hours today, I got home and once again my hatch wont open, the front bumper has a grade to it like a snow plow and the rear bolts that hold the back bumper on..... They are swiss cheese. The passenger side top bolt only has metal on 1 side not all 4. I bet (I hope)they do decent stuff on tj's , cj's amd zj's as they have a few outside their garage, but every one that has seen these bumpers ( many of whom are on this site now) has laughed at me. I have to consider them a compleate loss. They were happy to rip holes for bolts with a plasma cutter in the mounting brackets so big the bolts that go there only make contact on a small part of it. I was gonna be quite about it untill I saw this thread, you guys that are telling DT he is a dick should check yourseves. I can only hope you get $425.00 deep into some shit like this. You guys are trying to sell a hack's biz and that aint cool. Just wait, I should have this crap off my jeep in a little while. And when I do I will post pics for all you jack asses that think you know it all. Again I can only hope you get robbed as I did.
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Oh yea nate , you must be one of those E-thugs. You try to act like you have a clue. You should shut your mouth and stick to things you know a thing or two about.:stan3:nate4d
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Tell yah what James bring them back and i can give you your money back. No problem at all. And you didn't pay 425.00.

We did what we could while you stood here. I would have preferr you just leave them and let me take care of a problem.

I got rushed on these from the moment we started them. Then at the last minute you wanted things changed.

Then i leave to go buy you bolts today and you start talking crap about what i did or did not say to you.

You said i didn't give you what you ordered. Would you like me to show you all the emails. You want 2 awesome bumpers made for a whole 300.00. Do you realize how much steel cost us for those bumpers.

Oh and Ryan don't start with bashing me when i have never bash 1 thing you have done yet i could have.

I will not say another word on this subject.
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What? Yes I paid you $425. Don't get it twisted up! I Paid you $275 up front through PAYPAL and then another $150 through PAYPAL ! But hey, if you didnt get my money I will gladly dispute it with PAYPAL. Consider it done! Changes at the last min? E-mails? The only e-mails exchanged were pics from you to me. every thing was discussed on the phone. And rushed? I told you if they were ready fri that would be great, I also told you not to rush I could come sat, sun, or monday as well. And me leave them with you? I thought you said the prob was you didnt have an XJ to retro fit them to? I thought you said you couldnt build a jig for an XJ since the tolerance was to little? You treated me like you thought I was a blind idiot. I took notes during all our discussions to be sure I knew what I was getting. You didnt even remember you charged me extra for painting them untill I said somthing on my way up there. Do you realize what you did to these "bumpers" today? Do you have a clue? I am going to remove them and take detailed pics tomarrow and post them for you and all to see. How do you think you will feel then? I trust that you have everything documented when the only two facts you tried to rebuttle were both wrong on your end. The price and the e-mails. And yea, it's only a 140 mile trip for me to you. why not me drop your hacked up bumper to off to you? Then you would expect me to come pick them up as well, then we are right back to square 1.After all I am only a payin customer who got home the first time with 2 unmountable bumpers? Big deal to you, why not gas is only $3.35 a gal.. The whole situation is retarded (kida like these crooked a$$ bumper doing the gangsta lean on my jeep). Thats what I get for not looking in to your work on XJ's.
P.S. With what I have into these now including time gas and garage time I could of just ordered the rusty's or JCR bumpers as well. And I am still blown away that you told me that I didnt need any type of tie ins front or rear. And after saying that telling me I could use the hitch to tow with! Absolutly ignorance at it's finest!
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WoW to what Duece? Just making it right is all.
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WTF have I done to you? Bash away! I did your stickers. got them done super quick and gave you a HELL of a deal. You want to bash me for that? LEtting you advertise for free on MJ? Bash me for that.

I wasn't bashing you. I WAS being nice, considering...Those bumpers were crap. You yourself just admitted you were rushed, or designed changed or whatever, but I have seen you build nice shit. Those were not nice. James is a Mj member too and a friend of mine. For being the president of a club that is big on saftey, you should have known there was no way in hell those bumpers were even close to safe. Single pass welds on butt mounted D Rings? All the mounting brackets were drilled too close to the outside. I'm not bashing you. I'm saving you from a lawsuit.
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Butt welded drings? are you out of your mind?? those d rings go all the way thru.

If he wants frame tie ins that is up to him to order as well. I can't provide him with every single thing he may need for his set up for the price he paid.

As for the holes. all holes had been drill based on a factory bracket. Did you probally over do it today yes.

The mounting holes look like crap now. This is the first item that we have had mounting up problems. I have no idea what happened and we did what we could in the short time we had today with his xj.

If you want to talk about this further Ryan feel free to call me.
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this is unbelievable i knew i should of kicked this guy out of our shop as soon as he started talking crap behind nosilla's back what a two face a hole when he left he was all smiles and spoke to us about rock rails
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we have plenty of very happy customers this guy is the first one not happy and this isnt the way you deal with this
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and i would never butt weld clevis mounts and i am a certified welder so unless you can top my credentials keep it to yourself
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James i won't deal thru here any longer. But you did send 175 the first time and 150 the next.

Give me the bumpers and i will get you your 325.00 back.............DONE DEAL!!
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I am 2 faced? You are on Kelly's boards promoting youre crap, Didnt you just call him a spoon fed prick as well as a few other choice words today? Face the facts and not the b.s.. This bumper would be great if I were putting it on a go kart, or a power wheels ect... For wheeling with my family and other families, no fin way. You put my family as well as other families at risk by trying to fab somthing you are not able to do. And then to say I can tow anything even somthing small? WTF were you thinking? Yea as I originally said, your tj stuff looks nice. I would definatly question the engineering of it. But that is just me, I guess I am a little biased huh? Seriosly what were you thinking? And I wouldnt have put you on blast like this on any of the boards if your buddy nate there didnt run off with the keyboard. But I do think I have grounds for it. What if it was your family that got hurt when this rear bumper fails?? How would that make you feel? Why wouldnt you feel that way for someone else and their kids? Did you look and see the mounting plate on the back? If you didnt or dont want to remember, I will remind you tomarrow.
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$425 !! Are you retarded? I have the records. I just filed them so my wife couldnt see them. I can still View the and dispute them. You must be new to paypal. Well here let me walk you through the dispute process. You are gonna love this!!!
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James you are correct it was 275 and 150 for a 425 total
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Nice of you to correct the money thing after I filed a dispute. Were you calling my bluff? Did you think I was gonna roll over and lose more money? It seems the fact only get corrected when you get cornered. Why dont you fwd those e-mails to me?
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No, I'm not certified but I've worked in a fab shop for 5 years welding on pintle plates and 10,000lb recovery points for dropping trucks out of planes. I also worked in QC for 2 years inspecting welds so I have a pretty good idea what they are supposed to look like.

I saw the welds in person so your credentials don't mean shit to me.
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Ok We Have Offered A Full Refund What Else Can You Expect If You Were Unhappy When You Left You Should Have Said So And We Would Have Rectified This Then
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You know...we told you that we would make it right for you. We sure didn't want an unhappy customer. We would have preferred that you simply contacted us to fulfill this in a more different manner. The dispute over the dollar amount was a matter of saying, let us check to make sure. You were correct, that is why we posted it to make it accurate. Do what you need, dispute it. Again, it will be refunded upon return of the bumpers. I am not familiar with disputes with Paypal as we have not had any returns.
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I plan to go pick these bumpers up from him today and refund his money. i am just waiting for him to answer the phone.

Thanks Tab. This isn't normally a problem at all. It is just simply a job that went wrong for reasons that don't matter. This should not have been handled this way at all.

I look at it this way......we are making it right and thats all we can do. I don't see the need for people to push this issue any more than it all ready is.

Kelly i have been trying to get ahold of you again all morning.
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I never would have said anything, except the fact when he came over he said you guys had spent his money and couldn't give it back.
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what an a$$hat,it sound to me like thers no pleasing some ppl, this thread never would have gone this farif someone would have approched this like an adult, and not run to a buddies and cry, you drove over 100miles to go to DT to nitpick a product you carried away, happlythey didnt force you to take them, you know how paypal works, you never should taken the product, and setteled it through paypal. As for safty, my rock rails have saved me 2x, and are not dented, twister or pushed out of shape, and one save was when a lady hit me, did nothing to the jeep, but broke and dented her bumper, and i have winched, and pulled ppl with jpfab bumpers, one was a 1999xj. Simple fact, your not new to this, if you are, then keep your jeep stock till you know what your doing, they tried to make thing right, and you just wanna keep bitching, or is this your way to be cool by publicly bashing a place YOU removed the bumpers from. if you were half as intellagent as you act to be, you would have inspected the product be for excepting it, and if you ran to DT after getting them, why didnt you have him make them
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Why or how could he no what money we have? We never said no such thing to him.
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Thats why I am vouching for him. I saw them in person. I'm sure all the club members that they have built stuff for are real happy with their stuff. His bumpers look nothing like the ones posted above.

So well tell ya what...when Neil and Paul get them back, maybe they can post up some pictures of them. Some good closeups of the welds and the brackets.
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Thanks Nuggets. You are 100% correct.

Ryan. Let it go man. James and i have work this out so that he is happy.
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I'm not saying they can't build nice bumpers. What I was saying is the ones they built for him, weren't nice. Cosmetically or structurally. I'm not making it up or just trying to bash them. I'll give you a list if you want it. I wasn't trying to steal their business because I offered to fix them for free. Hell, I have sent them business.
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First off dickhead, your rails and my bumpers are two different things. If you read the entire thread you would have seen that I said they do good looking work on tj's cj's and zj's. I am not a welder or a fab guy and have never claimed to be, which is prob why the bumpers left with me. If I had been a fab guy or a welder they would not have left with me. I didnt run to DT to show him my bumpers, I do biz with him and had to pick up some vynil. Also, I was recomended to neil from someone else who I thought to be credible. The agreement has been a process, and it sucks that it got aired out on the boards, but most of it will get edited out if things work out. But I almost feel obligated now because of dicks like you to post these pics, even though the agreement neil and I are working on, requires me not to. But now that MY CREDIBILITY as well as DT'S is at stake you are putting them in jepordy or more exposure with these pics. Neil and paul I am sure would not like to have these out there because of you I am sure. So you should just shut your mouth, and mid your biz.
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ok asshat! it sucks it got aired on the board, you aired it before ther was a chance to rectify the situation, and by you starting in this thread by spouting off, pretty much opened it up for ppl to chim in on ok A.J, dont spout off and not expect ppl to tell you to quit crying and deal with it professionally, and like adults. and DT should know who i am, not saying im anyone important, cause im not, but i think hes big enough to defend himself.
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They had a chance to rectify it and didn't. I'm just going off what I was told and I wasn't there. I posted up here for James because he just figured he was just screwed. I knew he would get bashed and everyone in the club would take Neils side if he posted by himself which is exactly what is happening.

But just as I wasn't there, neither was anyone else beside James, Paul, and Neil so just assumingly taking Neil and Pauls side and calling James names is bullshit. HE TRIED to let them fix the bumpers and they didn't. He tried to get his money back and couldn't. And just because they built all their buddies bumpers awsome doesn't mean these were built even close to right.

But unlike most of you, I HAVE seen them in person. The front bumper was crooked on two axis's. Down by at least 1/2 in on the drivers side and tipped like a snowplow forward. None of the bolts were correct (size or grade) They reused factory Clips. There was bolts with no washers, lock washers, or locknuts. Some were already pulling through the holes. Even if the D rings were welded front and back (which I still don't believe) the mounting brackets were but welded to the rear of the bumper. The holes were wopped out so bad there was no metal left on some of them. In the rear, the bumper was too high so the hatch was hitting it. The bracket holes back there were also wopped out too big and incorrect bolts used. It was bolted onto the stock mounting location which is just 2 pieces of 16 gauge sheet metal. There was no extra support or anything on the back to keep it from pulling through. The reciever wouldn't accept a hitch. The D rings were not even close to round (which is just cosmetic) and in my opinion, most of the welds weren't up to par for a recovery and towing bumper front and rear. IS that a big enough list of shit to make it a legit complaint?

You can't be pissed at James for that. If I hadn't said anything he would have been screwed and out $425 so blame me. If this company had been owned by someone in some other state, the whole board would have been behind James, but because it's a members company and they have lots of friends here, James is a bad guy?
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im not saying hes a bad guy, i dont know him, and it dont matter if its vynals, bumpers, or a flower arrangement, you look it over and agree to the quality of the work, or you dont take the merchandise, and if you thought he would get ganged up on, you should have been the adult and called them as a mediator for james, but it was brought into an open forum, so it seems, if you were just out to help your buddy, just like were helping our buddies, it would not have become public, and this thread wouldnt be where its at, and your right, you heard james side ONLY, and i've heard neil and pauls side ONLY
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Okay time for me to defend more i guess.

Ryan does not know the whole story at all.

Did we mess up yes and i said so from the get go. We offered to refund him right from the get go on this topic.

James and i have worked this out to make every one happy. We have not change our position on what was said to him from the get go on what they would be. For those that think other wise then you have no clue what was said between james and myself on the phone.

Ryan before you make a claim rather something is welded on both sides you should have the facts first. As for the reciever, i used the same size steel on that as i have any other reciever we have done including my own and mine works just fine.

Kelly as for what was or has been said i will talk to you about this personally.
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I never said it took 300 in steel. But should a person make a couple dollars for there time.
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Trust me we do. Every company has a job that goes all wrong no matter what.

We will make James happy.
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Sent neil a P.M.. But I am going to bed as it is almost 3 am. I told him to give me a call between 11 and noon. Hopefully someone can get to the bank tomarrow so we can end this tomarrow and clean all this thread up.
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PM returned James.
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Another P.M. sent Neill.
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never got it James.
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Check again, it was a reply to the one you sent me. Short on time right now but I will be on in a few hours. If you still dont have it I will just re type it.
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nope not there sorry.
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wow , I wasnt even talking to you. Dont humor yourself by thinking I was talking to you. No need to be a dick. You are not even involved in this thread. You should fin somewhere to play.
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I don't care who you were talking to. You made a big shit about this and now you can't even pay sufficient attention to detail to even communicate correctly to get it resolved.
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See, again. Just because Neil doesn't have it in his pm box, it's James's fault. Maybe shit just aint working right or something.
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Yeah, its the connection between the chair and the seat and the keyboard.

PM's don't just disappear into the dryer with socks. The sender either types in the recipient's name incorrectly, didn't actually click "submit message" at all, thinks they clicked "submit message" and missed before closing the window, or someone is lying. With the PM volume this site handles and the volume of PM's that certain people receive, malfunctioning PM's are something that would be noticed immediately and posted in the SCISA Forum.

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PP, why dont you just f**k your self a$$*. You have no clue. You make stupid unrelivent comments, and its pricks like you that are gonna make this alot worse for neil and Paul before this gets compleatly resolved. I am not gonna get bullied by some stupid peice of crap that has nothing to do with any of this. Again, go find somwhere else to play. You appear at this point to be 1 of the only ones left to spend your useless time on this thread. DICK!
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Also douche bag, or PP. Funny how the message was in my sent folder dated april 5th 08 at 2:37 am. My post was around 3 am to notify him of a message. So I have forwarded it to a few others including neil. Depending on what neil says on the boards to let you know you were incorrect, maybe I will foward it to you so youre stupid self can see the time stamp. Maybe neil overlooked it or deletedit, or even got sooo many pm's it got pushed way down before he could read it. Know your facts before you run your key bord internet bully. :chiefwoohaw:
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Yeah, that is funny, since nothing you have said proves anything. Forwarding a PM doesn't carry its previous time stamp with it, smart guy. Its not email. You can write a PM, forward it, and claim you wrote it whenever the hell you wanted.

If you did it, post a screen shot of the PM sitting in your Sent Box. That's called "proof" that you did it.

Like I said at the end of my last post - somebody didn't do something right. That doesn't mean you didn't do something right. Learn English.
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Sure seems like your cockyness is directed at me. I did nothing to you. In fact I did nothing to anyone on this board. All I did was get taken advantage of. And everyone is saying they are trying to make it right, well it still isnt right. I still have 2 fucked up bumpers on my garage floor.You tell me how to attach the pm to the thread and I will do it. It is absolute bullshit that I am the one that got robbed and all these internet gangsters wanna talk shit . So I am constantly defending myself. As I previously said before , I can only hope and prey that all who have shit to say and they dont know the facts get totally robbed on somthing they dont know much about.
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Thanks for the info. Yea I know, but there are a few pole smokers who keep getting involved that shouldnt. This other guy is a tool. And if he is going to imply I am a lier, that I would love to make him look like the ass he is. Thanks though, and I love your avatar! It rocks!!
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Yes, you do have to constantly defend yourself. The reason for that is because you're the one making the claim. All we've seen is a bunch of typing from both sides and no pictures of any bad parts. If you didn't want any commentary from anyone else, it should have never been brought forth in the forum. Like UP_ROKTOY said, the phone would be way more effective than what is going on here. Its what should have taken place first, before doing this.

UP_ROKTOY posted the correct procedure to take a screen shot. That's sufficient proof that you did what was required on your end to send the original PM that was "lost".
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whew, thats a rough weld.
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That was one of the better ones.
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You have to be absolutely kidding me. I'm embarrassed for whoever made that.
I'm no fab guy, but I can at least measure and drill holes properly

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Fabbing isn't hard. It's as much common sense and patience as it is skills.

I have seen Neil do some nice work. I still can't figure out why these bumpers were built so poorly. If it was laziness or just a rushed job or lack or caring, just to make a buck.
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They were not pulled through, yet. They were retro fitted with a plasma cutter to fit. Like I said before, the tj and cj stuff I have seen in person and are sweet, totally sweet. That is why I am so offended by what happened to my bumpers.
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thanks for the turn in support all. It is nice to see people understanding my chemically imbalanced anger and frustration. Have fun with it while you can, as the deal Neil and I have worked out requires me to edit a few thing in this thread once I have cash in hand. So all will know if I get my money back or if there is more monkey biz!
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thats bullshit. just because he makes it right doesn't mean it didn't happen. he still sold you some SHITTY bumpers. making it right at this point should happen regardless of you editing this thread.

If he wants to run a business then don't sell shit!
Incase anyone what's to hear the unedited version.
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No, UP ROKTOY, this just seems to be the thread that never ends and it seems like everybody else is just posting crap to keep it going. I'm just being an ass.
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Posting crap? Me? Never! btw +10
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I'm guess I'm pro business on this thread by default. I think I felt the need to
defend the business owner(s) because I've been down the road of starting a business and struggling to build a customer base, take home a check, and keep the lights on.
The best way to do that is to produce a quality product at a competitive price. Not to send out junk.

If not, you turn out the lights and start saying "Welcome to Walmart, would you like a cart?"
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The best way to do that is to produce a quality product at a competitive price. Not to send out junk.

If not, you turn out the lights and start saying "Welcome to Walmart, would you like a cart?"
You are absolutely correct. From what I've seen and heard on this thread, the screwed up part was the exception, not the rule as far as what these guys can produce. I guarantee that they will never (and I repeat never) let a sub-standard part leave their shop again.

I grow bored with this topic now, lets go abuse A.J. Hall or now.

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Myself and Neil have both edited our post.....I dont understand why Paul hasn't???:chiefwoohaw:
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