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Old January 7th, 2008, 06:17 PM   #41
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Yeah, how bout the mother? I was saying that sometimes they don't have a choice. Would you rather have Two dead people or one? I completely agree that, for the most part, It is wrong. But Sometimes they don't have a choice and people like you that are sooooo anti-abortion do not help the situation and just make the emotional part of thier recovery Harder.

You're so for life, but it's almost sounding like that the mother isn't as important as the baby. Which she is. All Life is Important. That's why it's such a Hard decsion and Sketchy Subject. I think when it comes to that single situation it's up to the mother/Father. If the both the mother and Baby can make it, then they should. Even if the baby might be Special Needs, A cereal killer, Have three Legs...ETC.
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Old January 7th, 2008, 06:19 PM   #42
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Old January 7th, 2008, 06:22 PM   #43
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my problem with the whole abortion debate is that if you listen to a bunch of people bable about it sooner or later religion is going to be the whole arguement. it's against religous beliefs to do that. well religous people are also against homoesexuality. well who has less abortions then homosexuals? leave these people alone for christs sake. i think what we(as a country) ought to be doing is keeping people from fucking. stop fucking and you won't have any kids. simple and effective. you wanna fukc but don't wanna have a kid. bag it before you stick it in. and if the woman was raped and became pregnant i believe that it should be the womans choice to keep it or get rid of it. i believe it's not abortion or killing another human until about 3 months when the embryo becomes a fetus and looks like a human. after that it's killing. the other made up phrase we hear is the sanctity of life. the belief that all life is sacred. who said so? God? haha heres a hint folks god doesn't exist. We made that idea up.
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Old January 7th, 2008, 06:24 PM   #44
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I believe that the subject of abortion could never, ever be agreed upon in such a large forum. Everyone one is entitled to thier own opinion and beliefs, and no one should ever try to make someone else think or believe the way they do.
I will always try to make everybody think and believe the way I do. Thats because I think i'm right. And thats why you should also not judge someones decision untill you wore their shoe's. I have my opinion about abortion and I think it's pretty clear, but I didn't walk in your shoes.
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Old January 7th, 2008, 06:29 PM   #45
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my problem with the whole abortion debate is that if you listen to a bunch of people bable about it sooner or later religion is going to be the whole arguement. it's against religous beliefs to do that. well religous people are also against homoesexuality. well who has less abortions then homosexuals? leave these people alone for christs sake. i think what we(as a country) ought to be doing is keeping people from fucking. stop fucking and you won't have any kids. simple and effective. you wanna fukc but don't wanna have a kid. bag it before you stick it in. and if the woman was raped and became pregnant i believe that it should be the womans choice to keep it or get rid of it. i believe it's not abortion or killing another human until about 3 months when the embryo becomes a fetus and looks like a human. after that it's killing. the other made up phrase we hear is the sanctity of life. the belief that all life is sacred. who said so? God? haha heres a hint folks god doesn't exist. We made that idea up.

I would think that since you don't believe in god you don't believe in an after life. As such I would think you would consider this life to be that much more precious since its the only chance you have. And quit putting lie's on this site, I saw you at church yesterday.
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I sure have Dave. My career in science has spanned many different modes. I am not saying that I am pro or anti abortion, I am just offering an objective view of what a fetus is - a bunch of cells. [/url]
What makes YOU more than a bunch of cells?
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my problem with the whole abortion debate is that if you listen to a bunch of people bable about it sooner or later religion is going to be the whole arguement.

Not for me. I don't even have to go there to show how insane it is. I could, but I don't, because pure common sense destroys it.
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Old January 7th, 2008, 11:56 PM   #50
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Not for me. I don't even have to go there to show how insane it is. I could, but I don't, because pure common sense destroys it.
RIIIIIIIIGHHHHTTTTT.

You start these debates every 6 months, then it turns into a thread about God. It's the same damn debate every time.

Every time I see the baby murder bus drive around town I think of you Dave. Then I think of PETA... Because the baby murder bus and PETA are a like. They are both so out in left field that debate becomes worthless, and you can't even talk to them without going WTF?! while shaking your head and walking away.

And here I am... worked up in it again.

I'm for the most part Pro-life, but since I am not 100% Pro-Life, Pro-Life abortion bus drivers say that I can't be Pro-Life... I am Pro-Choice. Well I and the other 95% of the population that would never abort a baby, but are not 100% Pro-Life will just have to avoid these conversations at all costs I guess... because there is no middle ground when it comes to dead babies.

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i think we should raise the abortion age to 93, think of all the problems we could solve by aborting the people causing them.
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RIIIIIIIIGHHHHTTTTT.

You start these debates every 6 months, then it turns into a thread about God. It's the same damn debate every time.

Every time I see the baby murder bus drive around town I think of you Dave. Then I think of PETA... Because the baby murder bus and PETA are a like. They are both so out in left field that debate becomes worthless, and you can't even talk to them without going WTF?! while shaking your head and walking away.

And here I am... worked up in it again.

I'm for the most part Pro-life, but since I am not 100% Pro-Life, Pro-Life abortion bus drivers say that I can't be Pro-Life... I am Pro-Choice. Well I and the other 95% of the population that would never abort a baby, but are not 100% Pro-Life will just have to avoid these conversations at all costs I guess... because there is no middle ground when it comes to dead babies.

Abortion truck... (gross, and probably not a human baby)
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That abortion truck picture is pretty graphic. I think your right it's a fake. I 've seen actual photos of abortions and they are way worse that that. The partial birth one's are especially yummy. They should put the pictures of when they force a complete intach birth and then cut the kid up on a tray when it's still alive so they can take organs and such to sell to reserch clinics.


Oppps I forgot it s a gob of cell's.
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RIIIIIIIIGHHHHTTTTT.

You start these debates every 6 months, then it turns into a thread about God. It's the same damn debate every time.

Every time I see the baby murder bus drive around town I think of you Dave. Then I think of PETA... Because the baby murder bus and PETA are a like. They are both so out in left field that debate becomes worthless, and you can't even talk to them without going WTF?! while shaking your head and walking away.

And here I am... worked up in it again.

I'm for the most part Pro-life, but since I am not 100% Pro-Life, Pro-Life abortion bus drivers say that I can't be Pro-Life... I am Pro-Choice. Well I and the other 95% of the population that would never abort a baby, but are not 100% Pro-Life will just have to avoid these conversations at all costs I guess... because there is no middle ground when it comes to dead babies.
Ok, so what did I say in this thread that was in ANY way related to faith? Please use the quote button when you find it.

Further, I don't take the discussions in spiritual direction, EVERYONE ELSE DOES. If people move it that way and ask a question about who God is or throw in their comment about how it is related, I will also do so.

If such a discussion does not interest you, then read and type in one that does. Why is it that you get worked up about it? Could it be because abortion is from the same depth of madness as slavery was?

I don't, and wouldn't drive a bus with big pics of aborted babies. I am insulted that you equate me with that. I would, however, clue someone in on it who thinks it is no big deal, like our friend who thiks a child is a lump of cells similar to the snot I rocketed out of my nose this morning.
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I know that this is a discussion forum but I would just like to know why we have to have people make these kind of threads? Everyone is entitled to their own rights, opinions, beliefs and what not so why cant we just leave it at that... Do you (Dave Kerwin) sit back and read this laughing at how worked up people get about these things? And another thing, Mr. Toes, if your profile is correct that you are a junior in high school? how dare you try to shove your thoughts down other peoples throats when you haven't even begun to live an adult life or had any real expirence in such matters.... I dont think that threads like this should be allowed on a 4x4 forum that is surposed to be fun to read, learn and meet other people... Just because I believe on way or another doesnt mean that it makes me someone that isn't fun to be around or go wheelen with. I've been wheelen with lots of people on this site and this topic has never come up....


On that note, have fun and I think this was a very uncalled for topic...............
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I know that this is a discussion forum but I would just like to know why we have to have people make these kind of threads? Everyone is entitled to their own rights, opinions, beliefs and what not so why cant we just leave it at that... Do you (Dave Kerwin) sit back and read this laughing at how worked up people get about these things?

On that note, have fun and I think this was a very uncalled for topic...............
What kind of threads... the meaningful kind? My bad, sorry for keeing it real.

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Honestly, the past few debates you have been in on this thread are 20 pages long, just like this one will be, and I am too lazy to search.

Back on MJ you and I fought about this, and then you started posting pictures of partial birth abortions from a Christian Pro-life site. They were probably not even of partial birth abortions... but that is neither here nor there.

Piecing things together, you own a Shotgun. And I imagine you express interest in a CPL class. What give you the right to decide on the fate of someone's life in your home or near your person?
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The kind you abort!
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What give you the right to decide on the fate of someone's life in your home or near your person?

The Shotgun!

or Jesus. one or the other.
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Honestly, the past few debates you have been in on this thread are 20 pages long, just like this one will be, and I am too lazy to search.

Back on MJ you and I fought about this, and then you started posting pictures of partial birth abortions from a Christian Pro-life site. They were probably not even of partial birth abortions... but that is neither here nor there.

Piecing things together, you own a Shotgun. And I imagine you express interest in a CPL class. What give you the right to decide on the fate of someone's life in your home or near your person?
If a topic goes to 20 pages, it is what the people want, so why are you so opposed? Go ahead and look at the debates that have gone long, and see who brought them in spiritual direction. Go ahead.

Ok, you bring up a topic from YEARS ago. If someone is in ignorance, I don't mind bringing them to truth. However, I would no longer do it that way, as it seemed to do more harm than good (in hindsight, of course).

I don't need a class to own and use a shotgun. My right to decide the fate of a person's life begins in my faith and ends in my country. If someone tries to take my life or the life of my family, I will intervene and take theirs instead. This is of course A REACTION TO A CRIME against a GUILTY party. Abortion is the exact OPPOSITE. It is a reation to nothing against an INNOCENT party. DO NOT compare the two.
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