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Old January 7th, 2008, 06:38 AM   #21
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how many kids died in the 14th and 15th centuries?

how overpopulated is the world/country now?

What do you think of China's 1 child per family law?
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Old January 7th, 2008, 09:04 AM   #22
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I could see the similarities, as Slavery was more objectifying humans as property , and the argue for Abortion is sometimes said that they aren't human at all yet, and just a pile of goo that has a Heart beat. It's in the womans body so that gives her the "ownership" of it and then giving her the option of abortion. Maybe?

I agree that both aren't acceptable, But also some will argue that Abortion is an option if the baby most likely will not survive the birth and the mother will not if the baby is not aborted. I think that is too much of a personal decision to say a straight yes or no.
Ask the baby. You think they would give you a straight Don't grind me into hamburg answer.
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Old January 7th, 2008, 09:08 AM   #23
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I agree with the posts above but the one thing I dont agree with is someone telling me what to do with my body. What if the woman you love was raped and a pregnancy was the result. Could you say then that it was wrong? I do agree that it should not be an easy out if you were just being stupid and didn't use protection, but I do think that it is a womans right to make that decision for herself...
I think the unborn human that is totally innocent my have a different view. Of coarse if you burn them alive with a souped up solution of salt water they can never tell you that.
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Old January 7th, 2008, 09:12 AM   #24
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What's the "worse evil"?:

[1] An unwanted child aborted
[2] An unwanted child born and ignored and/or abused
(2) Theres a waiting list for people that want to adopt babies I kinda think if they got a baby they probally wouldn' ignore it or abuse it.
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Old January 7th, 2008, 09:13 AM   #25
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But its just not an "unwanted" child. If you have ever known any one that was raped and got pregnant because of if, you might understand where I'm coming from...
Do some resech on how often that really happens your be surprised at how rare it is.
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Old January 7th, 2008, 12:54 PM   #26
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Abortion is murder
Slavery is treating another person as though they are not human, but more like a domesticated animal.
They are completely different.


Shhhh on the slavery subject, I don't want my roomba getting any ideas
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Old January 7th, 2008, 01:37 PM   #27
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Abortion is murder
Slavery is treating another person as though they are not human, but more like a domesticated animal.
They are completely different.


Shhhh on the slavery subject, I don't want my roomba getting any ideas
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Old January 7th, 2008, 02:42 PM   #28
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Abortion is murder
Slavery is treating another person as though they are not human, but more like a domesticated animal.
They are completely different.
This is not just for you, this is for all.... ... ..


Ok, so abortion is taking a life, yet it is acceptible and legal.
Slavery is harming a life, yet it is unacceptible and illegal.

How, then, can harming a life be more evil than taking one?
How, then, can killing a human baby be less evil, more legal, and more acceptible, than degrading an adult human?
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Old January 7th, 2008, 02:47 PM   #29
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Do some resech on how often that really happens your be surprised at how rare it is.
This happened to my wife (kareless) before we were married, so she is a little defensive about the subject.....
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Old January 7th, 2008, 03:21 PM   #30
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I heard an interview on the radio with a young man who was the product of rape and he was very happy that his mother did not choose to abort him, which she could have legally.
How is it that two wrongs (rape + abortion) make it right?
kareless, I am very sorry for what happened to you.
Mr.Toes is correct, abortion for rape or incest is less than 7% of all abortions preformed.
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Old January 7th, 2008, 03:23 PM   #31
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http://www.abortionno.org/Resources/fastfacts.html

Why women have abortions
1% of all abortions occur because of rape or incest; 6% of abortions occur because of potential health problems regarding either the mother or child, and 93% of all abortions occur for social reasons (i.e. the child is unwanted or inconvenient).

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Old January 7th, 2008, 03:25 PM   #32
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If you remove a tumor is it murder? What about a bunion or a corn? Just curious, as they are rapidly multiplying cells.....
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Old January 7th, 2008, 03:28 PM   #33
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If you remove a tumor is it murder? What about a bunion or a corn? Just curious, as they are rapidly multiplying cells.....
Are you for real? I will assume that you are smarter than to make such an argument.
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Old January 7th, 2008, 03:38 PM   #34
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Are you for real? I will assume that you are smarter than to make such an argument.
Yes I am for real. The only argument people make for abortion being bad is that the "child" has a "soul". Other than that, it is a bunch of cells. You could make the argument that once a thought process is begun, than it is no longer a bunch of cells, but how do you measure that?

Once it is born and free of the placenta, it is a child. Before that, it is a parasite leeching off of the host.

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Old January 7th, 2008, 03:46 PM   #35
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Yes I am filled with infinite wisdumb.

babies in the womb are only cell groups, that is all they are.
Have you ever seen one of these "cell bunches" before?
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Old January 7th, 2008, 04:32 PM   #36
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This happened to my wife (kareless) before we were married, so she is a little defensive about the subject.....
I never said it wasn't a terrible thing I said Its rare. The guy that did it should be aborted.
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Old January 7th, 2008, 04:37 PM   #37
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If you remove a tumor is it murder? What about a bunion or a corn? Just curious, as they are rapidly multiplying cells.....
Let the tumor grow for 9 months and see what happens. I never saw a tumor with a pulse. Oh I almost forgot on the initial spliting of the fertilized egg the pulse begins kinda cool for just some rapidly growing cells.
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Old January 7th, 2008, 05:40 PM   #38
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Have you ever seen one of these "cell bunches" before?
I sure have Dave. My career in science has spanned many different modes. I am not saying that I am pro or anti abortion, I am just offering an objective view of what a fetus is - a bunch of cells.

Some tumors have been found with teeth and other advanced features, how you may ask? Through the same differentiation that a fetus goes through...

http://www.medterms.com/script/main/...rticlekey=2960
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Old January 7th, 2008, 05:57 PM   #39
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I agree that both aren't acceptable, But also some will argue that Abortion is an option if the baby most likely will not survive the birth and the mother will not if the baby is not aborted. I think that is too much of a personal decision to say a straight yes or no.
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Ask the baby. You think they would give you a straight Don't grind me into hamburg answer.
Yeah, how bout the mother? I was saying that sometimes they don't have a choice. Would you rather have Two dead people or one? I completely agree that, for the most part, It is wrong. But Sometimes they don't have a choice and people like you that are sooooo anti-abortion do not help the situation and just make the emotional part of thier recovery Harder.

You're so for life, but it's almost sounding like that the mother isn't as important as the baby. Which she is. All Life is Important. That's why it's such a Hard decsion and Sketchy Subject. I think when it comes to that single situation it's up to the mother/Father. If the both the mother and Baby can make it, then they should. Even if the baby might be Special Needs, A cereal killer, Have three Legs...ETC.
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Old January 7th, 2008, 06:08 PM   #40
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I believe that the subject of abortion could never, ever be agreed upon in such a large forum. Everyone one is entitled to thier own opinion and beliefs, and no one should ever try to make someone else think or believe the way they do.
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