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Old January 11th, 2008, 07:48 PM   #301
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Where did you get your facts from?? I would like to read where ANY medical professional or member of a scientific community would correct him. Is this your opinion that ANY would correct him? Or do you have facts to back it up?
I happen to be a medical professional AND a published member of the scientific community. Read posts 32 and 34. If you take emotion out of the equation, we all are a bunch of cells.
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Old January 11th, 2008, 07:54 PM   #302
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I have a question, not an argument.
If a Doctor or a Scientist said that human life began at conception would that change any Pro Choice positions?
The reason I ask this is because not all Scientists or Doctors agree on this ( kinda like us ) and if we are talking about Science being this position of facts without the intervention of Religion then how do we make a determination as to what Doctor or Scientist we believe?
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If a Doctor or a Scientist said that human life began at conception would that change any Pro Choice positions?
It wouldn't change my position.
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I happen to be a medical professional AND a published member of the scientific community. Read posts 32 and 34. If you take emotion out of the equation, we all are a bunch of cells.
What happens when you mix Artemisinin with Dmso and drink it or use it in an I.V. and Im not talking about you eye lenses getting cloudy.
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It wouldn't change my position.
O.K. than I have another question. Not an arguement. Is there a point that the scientific or medical community could change your position on Pro Choice?
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O.K. than I have another question. Not an arguement. Is there a point that the scientific or medical community could change your position on Pro Choice?
Not that I can think of. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist; I just can't think of one.
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Not that I can think of. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist; I just can't think of one.
Than can I presume your position on Pro Choice isn't from a foundation of what point it is determined life begins.
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Where did you get your facts from?? I would like to read where ANY medical professional or member of a scientific community would correct him. Is this your opinion that ANY would correct him? Or do you have facts to back it up?
Look, for you to call a 10 week or 20 week fetus a lump of cells only makes you to be a total moron. If you cannot simply go off of a picture to tell you this, then there is no hope for you. When a fetus resembles a lump of cells, it is only within the time period before a woman is certain she is even pregnant. After that time, it is a tiny little dude with arms and legs. A tiny baby with arms and legs is no longer lumps of microscopic cells. I feel embarassed for you that you need this explained in such detail.
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Artemisinin in typically used as an antimalarial drug. Some holistic people like to use it as kind of a catch-all for other ailments. This is likely due to the ROS (reactive oxygen species) moiety in the Artemisinin molecule. ROS are also in ozone and hydrogen peroxide. The ROS help to kill the malarial parasite, Plasmodium falciparum, it is thought. DMSO may aid in getting Arteminisin into Plasmodium infected cells as it is commonly used as a vehicle for drug delivery.
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I happen to be a medical professional AND a published member of the scientific community. Read posts 32 and 34. If you take emotion out of the equation, we all are a bunch of cells.
The phrase was meant to be taken literally, you lump of cells!
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Artemisinin in typically used as an antimalarial drug. Some holistic people like to use it as kind of a catch-all for other ailments. This is likely due to the ROS (reactive oxygen species) moiety in the Artemisinin molecule. ROS are also in ozone and hydrogen peroxide. The ROS help to kill the malarial parasite, Plasmodium falciparum, it is thought. DMSO may aid in getting Arteminisin into Plasmodium infected cells as it is commonly used as a vehicle for drug delivery.
I thought DMSO was not FDA approved. and you forgot the part about Atemisinin have the ability to cross the barriers in the brain. But that was impressive
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Than can I presume your position on Pro Choice isn't from a foundation of what point it is determined life begins.
your new screen name should be Mr. Intellect

bravo

but to take it one step further... his stance on abortion is based on his morality, that he wishes for a woman to have choice to kill her child. All this moral stuff makes me sick!
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Artemisinin in typically used as an antimalarial drug. Some holistic people like to use it as kind of a catch-all for other ailments. This is likely due to the ROS (reactive oxygen species) moiety in the Artemisinin molecule. ROS are also in ozone and hydrogen peroxide. The ROS help to kill the malarial parasite, Plasmodium falciparum, it is thought. DMSO may aid in getting Arteminisin into Plasmodium infected cells as it is commonly used as a vehicle for drug delivery.
I use DMSO on my sore muscles and I dont get a garlic smell its more like cream style corn. Some times I preserve organs with it to. Also used acouple of times on closed head cases. It was more effective than steroids.
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society could set the gestation time limit at which abortions should not be freely available at 20 weeks. [/url]


"Whether or not abortion should be legal turns on the answer to the question of whether and at what point a fetus is a person. This is a question that cannot be answered logically or empirically. The concept of personhood is neither logical nor empirical: It is essentially a religious, or quasi-religious idea[/url]

Darn religion always gets in the way. Dave, you sunconsciously let your religion get in the way from looking at it scientifically. This is why their are medical ethicists. They stop the religious folk from pushing their ways into politics.
The cortex isnít needed to feel pain. The thalamus is needed and is functioning at 8 weeks. Even complete removal of the cortex does not eliminate the sensation of pain. "Indeed there seems to be little evidence that pain information reaches the sensory cortex." Patton et al., Intro. to Basic Neurology, W. B. Saunders Co. 1976, p. 178


One guy sees it as a religious issue, one guy does not, that is a matter of opinion. But YOU are the one bringing up religion, not me. How about you evaluate the nature of the argument instead of clouding it with off topic crap. Seriously.

Answer me this: Is Murder a religious or a scientific law?
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but to take it one step further... his stance on abortion is based on his morality, that he wishes for a woman to have choice to kill her child. All this moral stuff makes me sick!
Thats what I was trying to figure out. If thats the case then saying your going to kill a baby isn't a determinig factor weather it is a scientific fact or not. The issue of babys or embryo's or gob's of cell's is not the determing factor?????
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Hey Guys. I believe in God, just like the rest of you. But all of my decisions are based on logic and fact, rather than divine faith. Perhaps I believe that God gives me the opportunity to find the knowlege that allows a proper logical decision?
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but to take it one step further... his stance on abortion is based on his morality, that he wishes for a woman to have choice to kill her child. All this moral stuff makes me sick!
Believe it or not, I did go to school for a very long time to be doing what I do today.
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Hey Guys. I believe in God, just like the rest of you. But all of my decisions are based on logic and fact, rather than divine faith. Perhaps I believe that God gives me the opportunity to find the knowlege that allows a proper logical decision?
Go to # 302 ?
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Look, for you to call a 10 week or 20 week fetus a lump of cells only makes you to be a total moron. If you cannot simply go off of a picture to tell you this, then there is no hope for you. When a fetus resembles a lump of cells, it is only within the time period before a woman is certain she is even pregnant. After that time, it is a tiny little dude with arms and legs. A tiny baby with arms and legs is no longer lumps of microscopic cells. I feel embarassed for you that you need this explained in such detail.
I guess that my eyes are better than most and that must be the reason when that first cell splits it looks like a perfect little baby to me.
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Thats a hypothetical question there. If a single cell turning into 2 cells is the beginning of life, then we have a big time problem in distinguishing life from cell differentiation in other areas. IE the fact that skin cells turn over every day, liver cells regenerate, etc.
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