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Old December 19th, 2007, 01:09 PM   #1
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Since most people are about as tired as I am of hearing anything that has to do with "climate change", I figured Id put this here instead of the Pube.

I couldnt have said it better


http://www.washingtontimes.com/

Year of global cooling

By David Deming
December 19, 2007

Al Gore says global warming is a planetary emergency. It is difficult to see how this can be so when record low temperatures are being set all over the world. In 2007, hundreds of people died, not from global warming, but from cold weather hazards.

Since the mid-19th century, the mean global temperature has increased by 0.7 degrees Celsius. This slight warming is not unusual, and lies well within the range of natural variation. Carbon dioxide continues to build in the atmosphere, but the mean planetary temperature hasn't increased significantly for nearly nine years. Antarctica is getting colder. Neither the intensity nor the frequency of hurricanes has increased. The 2007 season was the third-quietest since 1966. In 2006 not a single hurricane made landfall in the U.S.

South America this year experienced one of its coldest winters in decades. In Buenos Aires, snow fell for the first time since the year 1918. Dozens of homeless people died from exposure. In Peru, 200 people died from the cold and thousands more became infected with respiratory diseases. Crops failed, livestock perished, and the Peruvian government declared a state of emergency.

Unexpected bitter cold swept the entire Southern Hemisphere in 2007. Johannesburg, South Africa, had the first significant snowfall in 26 years. Australia experienced the coldest June ever. In northeastern Australia, the city of Townsville underwent the longest period of continuously cold weather since 1941. In New Zealand, the weather turned so cold that vineyards were endangered.

Last January, $1.42 billion worth of California produce was lost to a devastating five-day freeze. Thousands of agricultural employees were thrown out of work. At the supermarket, citrus prices soared. In the wake of the freeze, California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger asked President Bush to issue a disaster declaration for affected counties. A few months earlier, Mr. Schwarzenegger had enthusiastically signed the California Global Warming Solutions Act of 2006, a law designed to cool the climate. California Sen. Barbara Boxer continues to push for similar legislation in the U.S. Senate.

In April, a killing freeze destroyed 95 percent of South Carolina's peach crop, and 90 percent of North Carolina's apple harvest. At Charlotte, N.C., a record low temperature of 21 degrees Fahrenheit on April 8 was the coldest ever recorded for April, breaking a record set in 1923. On June 8, Denver recorded a new low of 31 degrees Fahrenheit. Denver's temperature records extend back to 1872.

Recent weeks have seen the return of unusually cold conditions to the Northern Hemisphere. On Dec. 7, St. Cloud, Minn., set a new record low of minus 15 degrees Fahrenheit. On the same date, record low temperatures were also recorded in Pennsylvania and Ohio.

Extreme cold weather is occurring worldwide. On Dec. 4, in Seoul, Korea, the temperature was a record minus 5 degrees Celsius. Nov. 24, in Meacham, Ore., the minimum temperature was 12 degrees Fahrenheit colder than the previous record low set in 1952. The Canadian government warns that this winter is likely to be the coldest in 15 years.

Oklahoma, Kansas and Missouri are just emerging from a destructive ice storm that left at least 36 people dead and a million without electric power. People worldwide are being reminded of what used to be common sense: Cold temperatures are inimical to human welfare and warm weather is beneficial. Left in the dark and cold, Oklahomans rushed out to buy electric generators powered by gasoline, not solar cells. No one seemed particularly concerned about the welfare of polar bears, penguins or walruses. Fossil fuels don't seem so awful when you're in the cold and dark.

If you think any of the preceding facts can falsify global warming, you're hopelessly naive. Nothing creates cognitive dissonance in the mind of a true believer. In 2005, a Canadian Greenpeace representative explained “global warming can mean colder, it can mean drier, it can mean wetter.” In other words, all weather variations are evidence for global warming. I can't make this stuff up.

Global warming has long since passed from scientific hypothesis to the realm of pseudo-scientific mumbo-jumbo.
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Old December 21st, 2007, 09:56 PM   #2
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This is also basically what I came up with when I did a research paper for my english class in college a year ago. Global Warming is still just a big theory based on not many facts at all. For every supposed fact that scientist come up with there is something else that contradicts it. For example they have measured an increase in the global temperature. But the temperatures where taken in all urban areas, well as cities grow they will naturally create more heat and therefore giving you higher temp readings. Im not saying the earth isn’t changing in some way but I don’t think anyone really knows why or what is happening, and it may be completely natural.
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Old December 22nd, 2007, 07:02 AM   #3
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I have always suspected that the whole thing was more politically motivated rather than scientifically researched. Why else would a politician, namely Al Gore, be promoting it, unless he had something to gain?
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Old December 22nd, 2007, 08:17 AM   #4
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I suppose that it is also a theory that our trucks put out carbon di-oxide and carbon mono-oxide. I have also taken classes where we have looked at the effects of global warming, one major factor would be excess CO2. The facts are there and "global warming" is real and it scares me, not because I cant deal with a 88 degree day VS a 87 degree day but look at the areas around the poles and alaska. They have seen HUGE changes in glacial terminal moranes and glaciers in general documented in the past 100 years.
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Old December 22nd, 2007, 08:19 AM   #5
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I suppose that it is also a theory that our trucks put out carbon di-oxide and carbon mono-oxide. I have also taken classes where we have looked at the effects of global warming, one major factor would be excess CO2. The facts are there and "global warming" is real and it scares me, not because I cant deal with a 88 degree day VS a 87 degree day but look at the areas around the poles and alaska. They have seen HUGE changes in glacial terminal moranes and glaciers in general documented in the past 100 years.
That is the problem right there.
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Old December 22nd, 2007, 08:37 AM   #6
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I have always suspected that the whole thing was more politically motivated rather than scientifically researched. Why else would a politician, namely Al Gore, be promoting it, unless he had something to gain?
Al Gore has been an environmentalist his whole life...i don't think he was politically motivated when he was a teenager...just cared about the world, you know the whole "stupid, young and idealistic thing..."
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Now he works for a hedge fund that allows people to offset their so-called carbon footprint thru financial hedges. All of which he makes a profit from... What a scumbag.
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That is the problem right there.
X100000, the earth has been around a little longer than 100 yrs. Oh I also heard a report this week, that no one will report on in the big media, there is more ice in the poles this year than we have had in yrs
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Old December 22nd, 2007, 09:05 AM   #9
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I suppose that it is also a theory that our trucks put out carbon di-oxide and carbon mono-oxide. I have also taken classes where we have looked at the effects of global warming, one major factor would be excess CO2. The facts are there and "global warming" is real and it scares me, not because I cant deal with a 88 degree day VS a 87 degree day but look at the areas around the poles and alaska. They have seen HUGE changes in glacial terminal moranes and glaciers in general documented in the past 100 years.
You are talking about a planet that is hundreds of millions of years old and all we have is data for 100 years. This is what scares you? This is like saying that if one hundred people on this earth had a fever, we are all going to die from this fever.
Let's see, the Sahara used to be a rain forest, the Grand Canyon was a massive lake and you are worried about a 1 degree difference in one portion of the world.:tonka:
This one gegree is the average change. This means in some portions it was down 1 dgree and in others in was up two degree. So this is global warming?
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Old December 22nd, 2007, 03:28 PM   #10
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You are talking about a planet that is hundreds of millions of years old and all we have is data for 100 years. This is what scares you? This is like saying that if one hundred people on this earth had a fever, we are all going to die from this fever.
Let's see, the Sahara used to be a rain forest, the Grand Canyon was a massive lake and you are worried about a 1 degree difference in one portion of the world.:tonka:
This one gegree is the average change. This means in some portions it was down 1 dgree and in others in was up two degree. So this is global warming?

DO I know you? We think alike more than you will ever know.
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Old December 22nd, 2007, 04:13 PM   #11
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I've got my speedo on underneath my snow pants just in case!
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global warming is real! it happens about every 1500 years, ice ages are real too. our planet has warmed and cooled millions of times, and will continue to do so. if you think our tecnology can change this you are overestimating our powers.
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global warming is real! it happens about every 1500 years, ice ages are real too. our planet has warmed and cooled millions of times, and will continue to do so. if you think our tecnology can change this you are overestimating our powers.
This is true, and nothing we can do about it
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The dark ages are coming too. Right after the lights go out due to the tree huggers and enviro-whakos blocking every attempt to build power plants that are economic instead of tree hugger happy.
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Al Gore has been an environmentalist his whole life...i don't think he was politically motivated when he was a teenager...just cared about the world, you know the whole "stupid, young and idealistic thing..."
Yes, but is he a scientist or a politician?
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its kinda cold out right now, i think i'm gonna go and start all of my cars and my lawnmower!
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I have always suspected that the whole thing was more politically motivated rather than scientifically researched. Why else would a politician, namely Al Gore, be promoting it, unless he had something to gain?
Exactly, people will promote the hell out of 'global warming' if it fits their agenda, no matter the facts.
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Old December 25th, 2007, 09:35 PM   #19
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the AVERAGE temperature may have increased 0.7 degrees centigrade, but if the highs are higher than normal, it can still affect things such as the ice caps (seem to be a more 'visual' sign of global warming for most consumer friendly informatives). i only say this because both sides can use the statistics that are helpful to THEIR agenda (pro or con) global warming. i.e. if highs WERE 7 and lows WERE 5, the avg. temperature was 6. if there were some environmental change where highs were now 9, and lows were 3, there is no MEAN change. has there been no net effect? well, try putting an ice cube on your counter and see how long it takes to melt (~26* C), then stick it in your freezer (-20*C) and see which process happens faster. (answer=melting). so a small average change, can have a large net effect.

doesn't matter how many global warms/cools you think the earth has gone through (depending on your interpretation of the age of the earth) the inhabitants of this planet are having a larger effect on the environment than ever before. more (human) inhabitants consuming more of the resources (not only oil).

Fact: there are more people than ever on the planet. Fact, there are increasingly less and less trees, and 'natural' ecosystems (natural forests etc) are being replaced by tree farms etc which do not hold the bio-diversity that a natural forest does, but it does satiate our need for more wood.

Am i afraid of the world warming, oceanic salinities changing and global disaster... not really. Do i think our population (humans) as a whole could leave a bit smaller foot print (tread more lightly), yes.

it is ironic though, that you can turn on the science channel and see a program on global warming, followed by one that says that the sun is cooling and our planet is headed for a deep freeze
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I can't help but wonder. Wether you think global warming is real or not, whats it hurt to try and further technology so we no longer need oil from other country's.

If you think global warming is real, then great!! Lets change the way we live and come up with new ideas to help the environment.

If you dont think globar warming is real, great!! Lets get off our asses and come up with some new tech. so we can "try" to stay ahead of the game.

The only thing we are doing about global warming is agruing who thinks who's write or wrong. Both sides have such a big ego and wouldn't admit it if they were wrong anyways so its a loosing battle.
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