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Old December 12th, 2007, 07:41 AM   #21
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Atheism at his finest . . . and o yeah I remember this thread from a while back.

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Atheism at his finest . . . and o yeah I remember this thread from a while back.

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I know Philip Pullman (author) has been described as one of the UKs leading athiest, but I would argue this plot actually has a Satanic plot to it. Remember, Athiests don't believe in God. In this story God must be defeated so that sin can rule.
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The funny thing is that Philliip Pullman (the author) spells it out at face value. It's not really buried in the story it's right on the surface. :miff:

Here he describes the plot is to defeat God as the rebel angels (Satan et.al) failed:

"They had no idea that they'd made the one weapon in all the universe that could defeat the tyrant. The Authority. God. The rebel angels fell because they didn't have anything like the knife; but now...."

And here is where he defines who this "God" character is:

"Balthamos said quietly, "The Authority, God, the Creator, the Lord, Yahweh, El, Adonai, the King, the Father, the Almighty - those were all names he gave himself."

Guess you missed that part.
I was just talking about the movie The Golden Compass, not the rest of the books. Even so, who really cares? It's fiction, let the damn author write books according to his viewpoint/opinions and get on with life.

Tons of movies/books are made/written about vampires and shit, which aren't what I would call "Godly", but they're popular and no one thinks twice about it.

Many books are written about God and fictional stories pertaining to religion, why can't a guy write a few fictional books with a different view?

I guess I really don't see the problem.
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I was just talking about the movie The Golden Compass, not the rest of the books. Even so, who really cares? It's fiction, let the damn author write books according to his viewpoint/opinions and get on with life.

Tons of movies/books are made/written about vampires and shit, which aren't what I would call "Godly", but they're popular and no one thinks twice about it.

Many books are written about God and fictional stories pertaining to religion, why can't a guy write a few fictional books with a different view?

I guess I really don't see the problem.
Blasphemy of God and scripture is different than writing horror films about demons and the un-dead. If you've become numb to blasphemy of God, then I have no doubt that this film series wouldn't bother you.
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ooh, GreaseMonkey, take the blasphemy challenge!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7QVbJnSPQE

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Blasphemy of God and scripture is different than writing horror films about demons and the un-dead. If you've become numb to blasphemy of God, then I have no doubt that this film series wouldn't bother you.
My statement still stands. Just because HE isn't a Christian means he can't have a different view of God? So the fukc what if it's blasphemous, he's entitled to his views and beliefs. If it doesn't fit your beliefs, then don't go see it.

I honestly don't understand how telling everyone else not to see it is going to help. What gives you the right to tell people not to see it because you don't agree with it? What you're doing kind of reminds me of this:

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My statement still stands. Just because HE isn't a Christian means he can't have a different view of God? So the fukc what if it's blasphemous, he's entitled to his views and beliefs. If it doesn't fit your beliefs, then don't go see it.

I honestly don't understand how telling everyone else not to see it is going to help. What gives you the right to tell people not to see it because you don't agree with it? What you're doing kind of reminds me of this:

Here is my concern. A parent takes their kid to see the Golden Compass. Kid likes the action, adventure and overall lure of the characters.

Second movie comes out. BAM! WTF! I didn't know Lyra was to become the new Eve and that here companion was intended to kill God. And worse yet, why are they telling my 10 year old that sin is good, God is evil and to live free requires that you follow Satan. In fact, I kinda laugh at the commercials right now because they say "Good will face evil in a war" and "Good" is really the party that is going to wage war on God and "evil" are God and the church.
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this is a fantasy movie. Pullman is an atheist which means he doesn't believe in god OR satan.
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this is a fantasy movie. Pullman is an atheist which means he doesn't believe in god OR satan.
True. And I'm not saying Pullman didn't have the right to write the books. Nor am I saying you shouldn't have the right to watch or take your children to the movie. All I am recommending is to take 3 weeks to read the books then decide if you feel the content is appropriate for your own children. I think the first movie/book is basically a hook that will lead to ideals in the second book/movie that you may not want your kids exposed to.
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Here is my concern. A parent takes their kid to see the Golden Compass. Kid likes the action, adventure and overall lure of the characters.

Second movie comes out. BAM! WTF! I didn't know Lyra was to become the new Eve and that here companion was intended to kill God. And worse yet, why are they telling my 10 year old that sin is good, God is evil and to live free requires that you follow Satan. In fact, I kinda laugh at the commercials right now because they say "Good will face evil in a war" and "Good" is really the party that is going to wage war on God and "evil" are God and the church.
It's still just a movie. How is it any different from being scared of your kid being attracted to doing things in other movies? You have the right as a parent to restrict your kids from what they see.
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I am still trying to figure out why Pullman, an atheist, is trying to kill a god that he thinks does not exist.
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perhaps its a metaphor...for killing religion!
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Stop ruining the movie for me with all the plot spoilers, Jeff. I haven't gone to see it yet.

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Stop ruining the movie for me with all the plot spoilers, Jeff. I haven't gone to see it yet.

There is no plot for the first movie, just an introduction of the characters, so I haven't really ruined anything for you.
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There is no plot for the first movie, just an introduction of the characters, so I haven't really ruined anything for you.

Then stop talking about the second one!
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I thought it was a good movie. Its just a movie...Are we all going to go to hell because we watch movies and drink wine??? Cant we all just get alone.
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Here is my concern. A parent takes their kid to see the Golden Compass. Kid likes the action, adventure and overall lure of the characters.

Second movie comes out. BAM! WTF! I didn't know Lyra was to become the new Eve and that here companion was intended to kill God. And worse yet, why are they telling my 10 year old that sin is good, God is evil and to live free requires that you follow Satan. In fact, I kinda laugh at the commercials right now because they say "Good will face evil in a war" and "Good" is really the party that is going to wage war on God and "evil" are God and the church.
I am sure the same case can be made in regards to the Harry Potter series too. (BTW the catholics do not like those ones either). Witchcraft is a no.. no.. I think your message has merit, however I think it may be lost let me give you an analogy. Telling people not to see a movie is like managing a resturaunt for %5 of your customers (lowlifes,deadbeats,complainers...). You should concentrate your energy on the %95 that get it, the other %5 are in someones hands(hopefully gods). A good parent educates. Sheltering a child from everthing "Bad/Evil" will make them ignorant and naive.

Good luck on your quest for censorship behind the vail of an FYI.
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I guess it all depends on the use of the word censorship. If you feel that the "parental warning" labels on CDs that are still for sale on the shelf is censorship then I suppose my telling parents to read the books first and then decide is also censorship.
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