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Old November 5th, 2007, 06:41 PM   #1
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So ever since I was young I have had weird feelings about most religious topics and I can't explain why. Over the years I took a more realistic view of religion and the religious agenda spouted forth by many preachers, pastors, priests, and other clergy. I no longer attend Church because of this.

In the end I concluded that God wants nothing more than for us to die. Yes it's a grim look at life but I think we lost the message he wanted us to understand and he is paying us back by killing us.

Now I know that sounds far fetched but look at the history of disease, natural disasters, and war. Everytime something new and deadly comes around we try to stop it. Why? Once we find a cure for one thing another pops up and kills more people.

I think it's BS that a person can't take their own life or even anothers life if they so wish, we try to save as many people as possible regardless of what they contribute to society. The way I see it God is angry and needs to kill us to preserve us as a whole but we are too stupid to see it. I believe that a large populous death is looming and is for the better good of the human race.
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God has, at times past, wiped out nations that were utterly wicked and outright lawless. When he would do such a thing, he would always sent prophets first with warnings about the need to change. I suppose it could be argued that there are modern day prophets uttering such warnings. But God is not just on the throne casting down judgement. He is, however, expecting those who follow him to share in his suffering as much as they share in his glorious resurrection. Search the scriptures for it at www.biblegateway.com
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In the end I concluded that God wants nothing more than for us to die.

I think we lost the message he wanted us to understand and he is paying us back by killing us.

This is long, but bear with me.


Well, I encourage you not to just go off of what mankind says, but to go directly to God on the matter, and his word speaks.

You will notice that God says it is for the wicked man to die. Consider this passage from Ezekiel "When I say to a wicked man, 'You will surely die,' and you do not warn him or speak out to dissuade him from his evil ways in order to save his life, that wicked man will die for his sin, and I will hold you accountable for his blood. But if you do warn the wicked man and he does not turn from his wickedness or from his evil ways, he will die for his sin"

So you have to ask yourself... are you a wicked man, according to the standard of God?

Also, you have to remember what is also said from the same prophet: "But if a wicked man turns away from all the sins he has committed and keeps all my decrees and does what is just and right, he will surely live; he will not die. None of the offenses he has committed will be remembered against him"

So you haev to ask yourself... if God is against the wicked and for the rightesous, are you the righteous man, according to the standard of God?

FURTHER... how does one obtain righteouness and live? See also Romans for this passage: "For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: "The righteous will live by faith." Then later in Romans "But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus."



Friend, this is the bottom line. ALL of us, by our sin, are in a pathway to death, the same pathway you described in your opening post. However, when we believe in Jesus, who died to pay for our sins, God then sees us as right with him, and we live. Both now and forever. THIS is the good news, the gospel. That though we are sinners, God made a way for us in Christ, that we may share in his life forever.
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Yes but the message of self preservation is lost on many who have 12 kids and call each one Gods miracle. God did not give you the kid you made it because god gave you the power to make it. There's a difference between having an ability and using it. God also gave us the power to kill but only a few use it. We don't kill somone and call it a miracle of God. There have been many that have killed and said it was the "Will of God", but they were mostly deemed insane.

I also don't believe that simply saying I believe in Jesus makes me right with god. I have met way to many evil Jesus lovers.
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God has, at times past, wiped out nations that were utterly wicked and outright lawless. When he would do such a thing, he would always sent prophets first with warnings about the need to change. I suppose it could be argued that there are modern day prophets uttering such warnings. But God is not just on the throne casting down judgement. He is, however, expecting those who follow him to share in his suffering as much as they share in his glorious resurrection. Search the scriptures for it at www.biblegateway.com


I'm starting to think that you actually believe this crap.


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Old November 6th, 2007, 11:09 AM   #8
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I also don't believe that simply saying I believe in Jesus makes me right with god. I have met way to many evil Jesus lovers.
Dude, you have to separate the bad witnesses you have met from the living actual word of God.

You said that you see mankind on a path to death, and that God watches it happen. To a degree, I am with you on that. But you need to see the second half of the story, that there is a way out of death for mankind. God desires that no one should die, not you, not me, but that we would all come to faith and have eternal life.

Jesus himself said:
"I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am the one I claim to be, you will indeed die in your sins"

Paul, Jesus' friend, said:
"For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord"


The conclusion that I have come to is that I am not good enough on my own to be right with God. And I think if you were honest, you would say the same for yourself. I have sinned, I have separated myself from God. God DOES want me to do good works, but he wants me first to come to faith and be forgiven for my sins. I don't earn eternal life by doing good, I have eternal life because of Jesus, not because of me. I invite you to also have this life, by faith, which is promised by God.
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I'm starting to think that you actually believe this crap.
Kelly, I know you are a hater and all, but please back down. Everyone has already heard about your moral, philosophical, and economical superiority to the peoples of Earth.
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Kelly, I know you are a hater and all, but please back down. Everyone has already heard about your moral, philosophical, and economical superiority to the peoples.
I don't believe I have economical or moral superiority, but I may have some philosophical strongholds.

Me back down? I'm simply pointing out that you're referencing items that have no documentation to back them up. Theres no proof that "god destroyed countries", in fact that is laughable. Its just frustrating that you constantly reference times/events/actions that have absolutely ZERO backing. And when you're confronted, You either stop talking, or you use another made-up unverified source.
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Me back down? I'm simply pointing out that you're referencing items that have no documentation to back them up. Theres no proof that "god destroyed countries", in fact that is laughable.
ytmnd! How about you give some degree of respect instead of mocking people, and they may actually give you an honest responce.

Take the Assyrians: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyria

God cast judgement on them and says he brought destruction on them. One may argue that it was happenstance that other nations walked in and harmed and plundered them. But by faith I believe God when he says he was the cause of their downfall.

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So ever since I was young I have had weird feelings about most religious topics and I can't explain why. Over the years I took a more realistic view of religion and the religious agenda spouted forth by many preachers, pastors, priests, and other clergy. I no longer attend Church because of this.

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I think it's BS that a person can't take their own life or even anothers life if they so wish, we try to save as many people as possible regardless of what they contribute to society. The way I see it God is angry and needs to kill us to preserve us as a whole but we are too stupid to see it. I believe that a large populous death is looming and is for the better good of the human race.
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ytmnd! How about you give some degree of respect instead of mocking people, and they may actually give you an honest responce.

Take the Assyrians: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyria

God cast judgement on them and says he brought destruction on them. One may argue that it was happenstance that other nations walked in and harmed and plundered them. But by faith I believe God when he says he was the cause of their downfall.

You are kindly uninvited from this thread as you are posting off topic. Please ban yourself.
Here is the problem (as I see it).

Facts: Country X was destroyed by Country Y.

Your Spin: God wanted Country X destroyed, so he employeed Country Y to do it.

IMO, that is absolutely asinine, and you can carry that spin to everything.

When I wake up and accidently stepped on my cats tail, was that god employing me to punish it? I know this example sounds idiotic, but that is how I view the very thought of an imaginary guy in the sky controling armys like its a game of RISK.

It is just frustrating watching this garbage spin be put on true historic events over and over.
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I am not the one making the claim, God is through the prophet Isaiah, way back before Christ. Your complaint against me is that I believe God. I am confortable with your accusation. I have already said it was by faith. Please remove yourself from this thread and hate elsewhere.

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I am not the one making the claim, God is through the prophet Isaiah, way back before Christ. Your complaint against me is that I believe God. I am confortable with your accusation. I have already said it was by faith. Please remove yourself from this thread and hate elsewhere.

Back on topic..
Sorry that my views include reality superseding fiction. I will now stop posting in this thread.

Can you please pray that god does not make canada take over the usa tonight, I would appreciate that because I don't speak french.
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