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Old March 15th, 2006, 07:31 PM   #21
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Gm has NEVER built had a good diesel . deal with the facts you screwed up buying that junk
Umm...actually I haven't had one single problem with my engine. Its done everything I've wanted and more, it starts and runs great in 0 degree weather with out being plugged in and no grill cover, and without my lead foot it gets 20mpg city driving(non scientifically calculated). I'm very pleased with it. In fact if I hadn't put a million miles on it already it would be traded up for an 06.

But I guess I'm not a diesel expert so who cares.
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Old March 15th, 2006, 07:37 PM   #22
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Duramax has a load of problems too . Injectors failing is one of the beggest . The allison trans is not a ture allison thats a sales gimick for a thinned out piece of junk .

yet again GM put aluminum heads on a cast block , that has been an issue . Izusu built it but Gm had a little to much input wich didnt help . Also Izusu has built some pretty damn good inline diesel motos but had no clue on a V 8 design .

Im not anti GM , hell i just bought an H3 , iv owned several silverados which were excellent trucks but facts are what they are .:gman:
Marv, your facts are dated just like you...

Yeah the first year or so of Duramaxs had injector problems. They changed the design. My boss has an 01 and the injectors started leaking and it had over 100k on the odometer and they fixed the injectors at no cost. Maybe he was just lucky...but they fixed it.

I'm not pro-GM, hell I drive a Jeep. But seriously old man, come up with some new data.
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Old March 15th, 2006, 07:42 PM   #23
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Duramax has a load of problems too . Injectors failing is one of the beggest . The allison trans is not a ture allison thats a sales gimick for a thinned out piece of junk .

yet again GM put aluminum heads on a cast block , that has been an issue . Izusu built it but Gm had a little to much input wich didnt help . Also Izusu has built some pretty damn good inline diesel motos but had no clue on a V 8 design .

Im not anti GM , hell i just bought an H3 , iv owned several silverados which were excellent trucks but facts are what they are .:gman:
Stop talking bad about my beloved truck :gman: or I'll :tonka:
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Old March 15th, 2006, 07:53 PM   #24
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Shall some one post all your bitching about that truck post ?

The motor has done well ! good for you . still dont change facts does it .

the power of a duramax is good , its there reliability like all ways with a GM diesel power thats a problem for most owners .

I pick them off the road , BS some one who has no mechanical knowledge .

One of the perks of towing , i get to see whats junk pretty quickly . Then the owners all ways tell me what has ailed said vehicle . Its not all ways GM , like i said Ford 6.0L yickes .

Out dated ya think , that creates knowledge istead of BS now go put some new spark plugs in your duramax :tonka:
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Old March 15th, 2006, 08:34 PM   #25
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I pick them off the road , BS some one who has no mechanical knowledge .

One of the perks of towing , i get to see whats junk pretty quickly . Then the owners all ways tell me what has ailed said vehicle . Its not all ways GM , like i said Ford 6.0L yickes .
Towing is like being a police officer. They only time you deal with something is when its fucking up.

How about the 100's of other ones that you don't pick up off the road that are racking up 100's of thousands of miles?

But I will agree with you that they all have their problems. Hell dodge can't build an automatic to save their lives...yet they keep bumping up the power on their diesels.

One thing I will say though in the Duramax's defence. The motor is in its 5th year of production. The Cummins has been in the Dodge trucks for 17 years. I've heard that the 5.9 is a scaled down version of a bigger motor from semis...either way thats a hell of a lot more experience and time to fix flaws in the design. I just wonder where the Duramax will be in 12 years...
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Old March 15th, 2006, 08:51 PM   #26
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I just wonder where the Duramax will be in 12 years...


answer .

Junked just like the 5.7 . 6.2 , 6.5 before it

I just couldnt help that one .:tonka:
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Old March 15th, 2006, 09:02 PM   #27
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Wow Marv. Do you ever have any posts that stay on track??


They called you because you spent more on that truck than I did for my first two houses!!
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Old March 15th, 2006, 09:11 PM   #28
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The allison tranny is an Allison tranny.....no its not the same one as in your wrecker. They can't fit that in a pickup.:miff: Its a far better tranny than Ford or Dodge autos, and it just got better this year.

the only problem with the Dmax and Allison is the truck wrapped around it.
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Old March 15th, 2006, 09:14 PM   #29
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I just wonder where the Duramax will be in 12 years...


answer .

Junked just like the 5.7 . 6.2 , 6.5 before it

I just couldnt help that one .:tonka:

We have a 6.5L TD at work a 93 truck that we have owned since new.....over 300k on it and the only thing done to that motor was an injector pump. That truck has been beat harder than any truck you can imagine. And I'm not joking about that.....it's been driven hard and pulling heavy loads from the first week got it.

of course its been through two trannys, one tcase, one rear axle, and numerous CV shafts.....but the motor is holding up good, just loud.

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the only problem with the Dmax and Allison is the truck wrapped around it.
That just proves different strokes for different folks...

When I was checking out Stan's new Dodge the interior felt very dull and mini-vanish to me. Just not what I would want for 50k. I really like the interior on the Fords, F250 that is. I hate the interior in the F150.

My biggest complaint about the GM truck obviously will always be a complaint. They can't design a tailgate latch system to save their lives. Between me and my dad over the past 10 years or so we have had 5 GM trucks and they all have had issues with the tail gate latches. Hell even my 93 blazer had a problem with the rear gate latch.
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Hell dodge can't build an automatic to save their lives...yet they keep bumping up the power on their diesels.
This is only partially true. DCX knows perfectly well how to make a bullet proof automatic tranny. However, after going through the risk management department and the accounting department they realized that if they put a transmission behind any of their vehicles that would last as long as they are capable of making them last, it would cut into their long term sales forecasts and maintenance revenues. All 3 of the big reverse engineer their products to last a certain number of miles. With the 7yr/70,000 power train warranty, they have done a ton of analysis that said that the majority of their cheaper transmissions would last 70,000 miles. The amount that would die soon after the 70k mark would off-set the cost of warranty work on the ones that die before then. It is all a huge risk reward analysis. If they made a tranny that would last 200k miles, people would probably hold on to their vehicle longer. A bad tranny is a big ticket item many people won't fix. They would rather trade up to a newer vehicle instead.

So, yes, DCX can make a great transmission. It just isn't cost effective for them to do so.

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Old March 15th, 2006, 09:26 PM   #32
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I bought a brand new chevy tow truck with a 6.5 at 80,000 it was traded in . None of the drivers wanted to drive it for reliability issues . Even warm it wouldnt start some times , dealer said , jump the fuel relay that will make it start . Nice its still under warranty and thats there answer !

Stick shift models had a faulty fly wheel design . GM had a new one for it , of course you could buy it they wouldnt replace it under warranty but they would admit it was a faulty design . Ya great shit that truck was .

I know Roadhouse is an honest guy and what he says is true . But that truck your talking about was clearly a newer model then what i bought in 94 and they had taken care of some of these issues . To bad they fucked us that bought earlier and did not back there product .:gman:

Can you buy a GM truck with a diesel and have a good truck ! sure you can if you want to gamble . There over all record is a total joke . Thats why they didnt make a diesel powered truck for a few years , it was killing there rep .
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I am not a GM guy, but most of there problem is perceived. My brothes friends cousin had a bad one ten years ago, so they are junk.
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I know Roadhouse is an honest guy and what he says is true . But that truck your talking about was clearly a newer model then what i bought in 94 and they had taken care of some of these issues . To bad they fucked us that bought earlier and did not back there product .:gman:

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Marv the truck we bought was built in early '93..we bought it in April....I believe that was one of the first 6.5L TD(not sure when they first came out). Does sound like your old one had some troubles.
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Can you buy a GM truck with a diesel and have a good truck ! sure you can if you want to gamble . There over all record is a total joke . Thats why they didnt make a diesel powered truck for a few years , it was killing there rep .
When did they not make one? Was there a gap between the 6.2 and 6.5? 6.2L where total turds...no doubt...but Ford and Dodge didn't have a boat load off power in their diesel in the 80's either..........but more than chevy.
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they stopped building the 6.5 for 2 or 3 years prior to the duramax coming out . not sure just what years but they had no diesel offering for a couple years atleast .

Ford started whit the 6.9 , served very well , then the 7.3 also excellent now the 6.0L , off to a crappy start
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6.5L where offered up to 2000....the Dmax came out in 01.

There was also no gap between the years of 6.2 and 6.5L 93 was the switch over year with both availible.

We have an old Ford at work with a 6.9L...gutless wonder. But slightly better than the 6.2L we have.

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6.5L where offered up to 2000....the Dmax came out in 01.

There was also no gap between the years of 6.2 and 6.5L 93 was the switch over year with both availible.

We have an old Ford at work with a 6.9L...gutless wonder. But slightly better than the 6.2L we have.
Nope your wrong on this , it was between the 6.5 and duramax that they did not have a diesel offering . My cousin the GM sales men said it was killing there pickup sales at the time .

Ford 6.9 was not a power house , but none were then . it was reliable though

searching google i find dates that match yours , there not correct nor are they from GM sites . I know they had a lapse between ending the 6.5 and putting out the duramax

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Thats the EPA's fault. Though i have only slightly more love for GM than the government, your anger is misdirected at the old general this time.

ME ---> <---EPA TESTING
Who ever it was then, they missed it by a mile...or at least 3-4 miles, per gallon My full sized silverado with a 4.3 got better milage than my mis sized Canyon with a 3.5.
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Guess im not the only one that feels this way , notice the Feds made Gm pay back 80% of the cost of the motor ! GMs diesel history is a said thing I can not find dates of production that show my claim , ill ask my local dealer seems they are the one that mentioned it :gman:


The history of Diesel engines at General Motors has not been positive. In the 1970s, the company was unable to power its large cars and trucks with their emissions-strangled engines. Like many other companies, GM turned to Diesel power, directing the Oldsmobile division to develop two V6 and one V8 to be shared with all divisions.

Oldsmobile's engines, the 5.7 L LF9 and 4.3 L LF7 V8s and 4.3 L LT6/LT7/LS2 V6, were notoriously unreliable. Although over one million were sold between 1978 and 1985, the failure rate of GM's engines ruined the reputation of Diesel engines in general in the United States market. Eventually, a class action lawsuit resulted in an arbitration system under the supervision of the Federal Trade Commission where consumers could claim 80% of the original cost of the engine in the event of a failure.
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