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Old December 2nd, 2007, 04:13 PM   #1
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Just wanted to see what others had in mind for a good strong front swap for a 93 wrangler. Really want the 44 of course i just know few vehicles to get it from, so i guess im asking where and what has the 44 driver side drop that will be a good match for my Yj. All i can think of is the waggy's and izuzu rodeos i think i read one time. Suggestions would be great thanks!
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Old December 2nd, 2007, 04:15 PM   #2
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older ford fronts, before the twin traction beam-- bronco's and f-150's

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Old December 2nd, 2007, 04:16 PM   #3
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SOA or SUA?
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Old December 2nd, 2007, 08:15 PM   #5
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izuzu rodeos only have 44's in the rear there IFS in the front
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Old December 2nd, 2007, 08:24 PM   #6
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then the 80 up waggy front and rear, or the isuzu rear if you want rear discs with a parking brake. They are close to bolt in but need a little modding to fit the best.
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What size tires?

If your sticking with 35's and less I would seriously consider alloy shafts for your D30.

36's and 37's are really the biggest reliable tire size on a d44 IMHO.

D44's and D-30's share ball joints, and u-joints (except for pre 95 non ABS YJ's, XJ's which have 260x joints.) D44's have a little more meat on the axle shaft yokes though.

With a D44 your going to be gaining a stronger gear set, stronger axle tubes, more steering options, lockout hubs, and cheaper wheel bearing/seal replacements.

All that said, swapping one into a YJ is pretty easy, so it makes the choice a little easier than in something with coils up front. If you swap in a D300 at the same time you can use a passanger side drop d44 (pre 80 waggy) then you have a better platform to build off later.
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Thanks a lot guys, going to keep this on the next to do list And yes i want to run 37 boggers soon, i just dont trust these little dana 30s with that much grip/size....
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Old December 2nd, 2007, 10:56 PM   #9
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I've got a Waggy 44 in the front of mine and am happy with how it all turned out. If I was made of money I'd a Ford 9" with Dana 60 outers (commonly called a 609).
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I just need to find something already with 4:88's, i just did the slip yolk kit and pulled the t.case to swap a new trans so im not doing a dana 300 swap for the pass. drop, i just need something i can swap sping pearch plates and put her in... Iv spent so much damn time/money on the 8.8 and dana 30 in that driveway im starting to lose motivation lol... thanks for all the suggestions, i think im going with the waggy. :-)
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The Waggy perches don't line up with YJ (they are close, but will bind your shackles), but 78-79 F-250 HPD44/D60 does. They are a bolt-in SOA for YJ's, the front is driver-drop, and the 78-79 F-250/F-350 HPD60 is a bolt-in SOA also if you ever grow out of the HPD44.

If you really want SUA, just add a second set of perches and leave the factory ones in place for future growth. I don't see you running 37's SUA even though Boggers typically measure under their advertised diameter.

I have a cheaper set that may not be 100% complete if you want to build them yourself on your own budget.
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Would it be possible to narrow the Ford HPD44 to stock YJ width.
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Toss some cheap TJ shafts in, add a seal to the passenger side of the diff, and call it done.

Total cash outlay- $120 including gear lube, and you won't have to deal with different bolt patterns, welding, or swapping in a rear axle to match. You will still end up with the same size u-joint (297X), which is usually the first failure point in either a D44 or D30 with 297s.
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Old December 3rd, 2007, 06:46 PM   #14
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Would it be possible to narrow the Ford HPD44 to stock YJ width.
Yes. The popular mod in this case would be to shorten the Ford HPD44 to FSJ NT width and run Wagoneer shafts. That would put the WMS at about 60.5. However, with H2 or other rims with similarly high backspacing and the amount of lift normally associated with an SOA conversion, leaving the axles full-width gives the YJ pretty good proportions. For reference, visit Jeepfreak81\\\\\\\\\\'s build thread and see his pics of this setup here.


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Have done the full width axles before but would like to do it with keeping the tires only marginally sticking out.That way it keeps the cops happy and is street friendly.
Was wondering if it is possible to cut and machine down the long side.
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Yeah the rear axle isnt MOVING or ill kill anything that trys to take it. just put over 1000 into doing the whole thing which wasnt suppose to be the case but one thing led to another, shaft was bad here, spyder gears here, new clutch pacs here.. AHHHH So yea and after the trail ride now i need a new shaft to get back and forth to school. Anyone got tj shafts, im going to take cooters word for it right now, i just redid the seals and bearings so im going to get a little use with the 30 after the pointless money i put into it. Im just working on gettin a HP44 front set up for spring....
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Ah, I missed the whole 8.8 thing. In that case, I have a 5x5.5" outer setup for this Ford HPD44 that I mentioned in the Parts For Sale thread (just lowered the price, too). Add some adapters to the rear and you're good.
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