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Old November 20th, 2007, 11:08 AM   #1
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This is the same minister, preacher, pastor that I'm supposed to talk to about God and jesus?

Sex scandal hits Georgia megachurch
80-year-old Georgia man slept with brother’s wife, fathered her child
The Associated Press
updated 7:57 p.m. ET, Mon., Nov. 19, 2007
DECATUR, Ga. - The 80-year-old leader of a suburban Atlanta megachurch is at the center of a sex scandal of biblical dimensions: He slept with his brother's wife and fathered a child by her.

Members of Archbishop Earl Paulk's family stood at the pulpit of the Cathedral of the Holy Spirit at Chapel Hill Harvester Church a few Sundays ago and revealed the secret exposed by a recent court-ordered paternity test.

In truth, this is not the first — or even the second — sex scandal to engulf Paulk and the independent, charismatic church. But this time, he could be in trouble with the law for lying under oath about the affair.

The living proof of that lie is 34-year-old D.E. Paulk, who for years was known publicly as Earl Paulk's nephew.

"I am so very sorry for the collateral damage it's caused our family and the families hurt by the removing of the veil that hid our humanity and our sinfulness," said D.E. Paulk, who received the mantle of head pastor a year and a half ago.

D.E. Paulk said he did not learn the secret of his parentage until the paternity test. "I was disappointed, and I was surprised," he said.

Earl Paulk, his brother, Don, and his sister-in-law, Clariece, did not return calls for comment.

A judge ordered the test at the request of the Cobb County district attorney's office and the Georgia Bureau of Investigation, which are investigating Earl Paulk for possible perjury and false-swearing charges stemming from a lawsuit.

Admitted affair to the church last year
The archbishop, his brother and the church are being sued by former church employee Mona Brewer, who says Earl Paulk manipulated her into an affair from 1989 to 2003 by telling her it was her only path to salvation. Earl Paulk admitted to the affair in front of the church last January.

In a 2006 deposition stemming from the lawsuit, the archbishop said under oath that the only woman he had ever had sex with outside of his marriage was Brewer. But the paternity test said otherwise.

So far no charges have been filed against Earl Paulk. District Attorney Pat Head and GBI spokesman John Bankhead would not comment.

The shocking results of the paternity test are speeding up a transformation already under way in the church after more than a decade of sex scandals and lawsuits involving the Paulks, D.E. Paulk said.

"It was a necessary evil to bring us back to a God-consciousness," said the younger Paulk, explaining that the church had become too personality-driven and prone to pastor worship.

The flashy megachurch began in 1960 with just a few dozen members in the Little Five Points neighborhood of Atlanta. Now, it is in the suburbs on a 100-acre expanse, a collection of buildings surrounding a neo-Gothic cathedral.

Once had 10,000 members
For years the church was at the forefront of many social movements — admitting black members in the 1960s, ordaining women and opening its doors to gays.

At its peak in the early 1990s, it claimed about 10,000 members and 24 pastors and was a media powerhouse. By soliciting tithes of 10 percent from each member's income, the church was able to build a Bible college, two schools, a worldwide TV ministry and a $12 million sanctuary the size of a fortress.

Today, though, membership is down to about 1,500, the church has 18 pastors, most of them volunteers, and the Bible college and TV ministry have shuttered — a downturn blamed largely on complaints about the alleged sexual transgressions of the elder Paulks.

In 1992, a church member claimed she was pressured into a sexual relationship with Don Paulk. Other women also claimed they had been coerced into sex with Earl Paulk and other members of the church's administration.


The church countered with a $24 million libel suit against seven former church members. The lawsuit was later dropped.

Jan Royston, who left the church in 1992, started an online support group for former members to discuss their crushed faith and hurt feelings.

"This is a cult. And you escape from a cult," she said. "We all escaped."

These days, Earl Paulk has a much-reduced role at the cathedral, giving 10-minute lectures as part of Sunday morning worship each week.

"My uncle is 100 percent guilty, but his accusers are guilty as well," D.E. Paulk said, declining to talk further about the lawsuits.


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Old November 20th, 2007, 11:11 AM   #2
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wrong, VERY wrong.

sin is among us all, that is the tragic reality. sin is inside the church, the is no mistake.

there is no excuse for that, none.
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Old November 20th, 2007, 11:12 AM   #3
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consider this though... don't miss the message from a faulty messenger. See the message independant of the impefect folks who believe it, and instead, set your eyes on Christ and make your judgement there, and no where else.
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Old November 20th, 2007, 11:14 AM   #4
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consider this though... don't miss the message from a faulty messenger. See the message independant of the impefect folks who believe it, and instead, set your eyes on Christ and make your judgement there, and no where else.
So you are saying exactly what I am saying which is that the Church can have an agenda and give bad information. The only thing that matters is Gods/Jesus' word and how we understand it.
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Old November 20th, 2007, 11:41 AM   #5
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So you are saying exactly what I am saying which is that the Church can have an agenda and give bad information. The only thing that matters is Gods/Jesus' word and how we understand it.
People can have an agenda and give bad information. Yup. That's a fact...
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Old November 20th, 2007, 12:00 PM   #6
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The only thing that matters is Gods/Jesus' word and how we understand it.
ya dang right!!

that is why I always go to the scriptures
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Old November 20th, 2007, 12:01 PM   #7
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So you are saying exactly what I am saying which is that the Church can have an agenda and give bad information. The only thing that matters is Gods/Jesus' word and how we understand it.
Except that Gods word is commonly accepted to be the bible and it was in fact written by men. So how do you trust that?
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Except that Gods word is commonly accepted to be the bible and it was in fact written by men. So how do you trust that?
the same way you trust the chair you are presently sitting on to hold you up.

If God has enough power to create the entire vastness of the universe, then surely he can write a book, even if mankind is his chosen method.
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Old November 20th, 2007, 12:13 PM   #9
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Except that Gods word is commonly accepted to be the bible and it was in fact written by men. So how do you trust that?
Exactly.

The bible was written by men with agendas, translated by men with agendas, preached by men with agendas, and interpreted by people to fit their agendas.

The church exists to keep the church in power.
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Old November 20th, 2007, 12:19 PM   #10
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the same way you trust the chair you are presently sitting on to hold you up.
Dave,
Through statics and the mechanical properties of materials, I can calculate how much a chair can hold.

So far, I know of no set of equations that will tell me how many angels can stand on the head of a pin. :)
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Through statics and the mechanical properties of materials, I can calculate how much a chair can hold.

So far, I know of no set of equations that will tell me how many angels can stand on the head of a pin. :)
But you don't do that calculation before you sit in a chair. I am saying that faith is involved in every day life, like it or not.

But too often everyone confuses the messenger with the message, they are not always one in the same (unfortunately), which is due to the depravity of mankind. It would be illogical to look at the guilty messenger and fault the message instead. Hollar if ya hear me.
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Exactly.

The bible was written by men with agendas, translated by men with agendas, preached by men with agendas, and interpreted by people to fit their agendas.

The church exists to keep the church in power.
The Bible was written by men, yes. But the translation, preaching, and intepretation concern is null and void because the scriptures in their original language are available right now to be read, in Greek and Hebrew. So ultimatley you either believe that God cannot write a book, or that he can.
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Who originally wrote the scriptures?
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I thought for sure we had this debate last month,...............and at least twice more since the time I joined this site.
Those who believe in the Bible as "Gods Word" have Faith.
Those who do not, are trying to find a rational way to say that God does not exist.
Gentlemen, this is a 4x4 site, we are not going to change anybody's belief in this forum.
I suggest that Motor Slut, start hanging around Dave Kerwin and vise versa, become friends, and try to figure out why each other believes the way they do.

God Bless That is all.
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Who originally wrote the scriptures?
lots of people, in the old testament, the phophets of old such as Isaiah and Moses, and Jeremiah. The new testament was written by eye witnesses to the works of Christ. Paul wrote the majority of it.
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I thought for sure we had this debate last month

I suggest that Motor Slut, start hanging around Dave Kerwin and vise versa, become friends
If people keep bringing up the Bible and God, I will continueto converse

Sounds like fun. Shall we have a party at your house?
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If people keep bringing up the Bible and God, I will continueto converse

Sounds like fun. Shall we have a party at your house?
I have a Bicentenial Room in my basement Dedicated To God and Country decorated with murals, and including a Pool Table, dart board and the Sports Channel.

Come on over, you just have to take your shoes off at the door, because you have to cross the part of the house that my Wife owns to get to the room.:tonka::tonka::tonka::tonka:
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Those who do not, are trying to find a rational way to say that God does not exist.
Not all of "us". I'm not here to tell you there is no God, in fact, the only thing I am positive on is that I am NOT God.

To me, it's not whether God exists or not, it is simply not having faith. I get along pretty good trying to do unto others - on my own, unaided by Christianity.
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Not all of "us". I'm not here to tell you there is no God, in fact, the only thing I am positive on is that I am NOT God.

To me, it's not whether God exists or not, it is simply not having faith. I get along pretty good trying to do unto others - on my own, unaided by Christianity.
Explain this to me,..................uh wait,................never mind, I remember what others have claimed about you on this site:tonka::tonkasomething about the back door approach)

I have no issue with you, and I promise to be friendly, and show you what, and why I believe, if you ask.
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In all seriousness, post a picture of your butt in a pair of jeans.
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