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Old March 14th, 2006, 04:46 PM   #1
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i know this should be int he garage thread but im not sure which one it would get the most attention in. im going to be building custom long arms for my jeep xj. i will be ordering 2 inch dom tubing with quater inch walls. what size heims should i order for them. also where is a good place to order them from. im going to fab up a tube cross member for them to hook on to on the one end. i havent decided how long i want to make the arms yet. do i need special welding wire to weld the dom tubing to stainless steel thats 1/4 inch. i will be making the tabs on with that to weld to the arms for the upper arms. i will have about a week and half to get this doen over spring break which is next week. so i wont be in any hurry. id like to get it done in a moderate amoutn of time though so i can wheel it over break sometime. any one who has built custom long arms will you please give me some input on your build. i will be ordering the tube inserts from blue torch fab or poisen spyder customs.

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Old March 14th, 2006, 04:54 PM   #2
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what are you welding to that is stainless steel??? I'm 99% sure that welding stainless steel to carbon steel is not something you can do. You might be able to heat both pieces enough to meld them togther, but not weld them with a bond that suspension componets need.
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Old March 14th, 2006, 05:12 PM   #3
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Uh, I've welded c/s to ss manytimes, just have to know what you are doing and know what materials to use. For somebody that doesn't know, I wouldn't recomend it.
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Shawn, thanks for the correction. I did'nt know they could be bonded with a weld type strentgh.
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i have a guy that is a pro welder for aliving i will have to take him the arms to weld them perchs on. i am welding stainless to the dom tubing. will this work.or shoul di have him weld it to be safe
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Old March 14th, 2006, 05:50 PM   #6
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Perhaps ask your friend whos a professional welder?
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Old March 14th, 2006, 06:23 PM   #7
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i was asking becuase he is hard to get a hold of. i thought maybe some people on here have done the same.
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Old March 14th, 2006, 06:37 PM   #8
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what size heims are stong enough to use . will 5/8ths work.
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Old March 14th, 2006, 06:59 PM   #9
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I'd go atleast 3/4"
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I'd go atleast 3/4"

3/4 would work but from what i read if your DD it you want to go bigger, like 7/8 or 1"
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Old March 14th, 2006, 08:00 PM   #11
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wheres a good palce to order from? i will need 8 of them
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poison spyder is where i usually order mine from. spidertrax and polyperformance.com are also good ones. i'm running 3/4" heims on my xj. its some a few trail rides with no problems though i havent been really rough on it.
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These would work as well. Save yourself some shipping $$. 5/8" is plenty for the thru bolts

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you may want to consider running a bushing at the axle side of the arms because it rides better because it asobrs vibrations better, also cheaper then running hiems at both ends.
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yes i would run some kind of bushing there.
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Why do you need stainless? Just use regular steel!?

And you can use tractor joints instead of heim joints. They are a lot cheaper.

**And I know some people will argue this, that they aren't strong enough, but my buddy has had them on his YJ for like 3 years and been fine. He wheels the crap out of it. You gotta think, they ARE made for tractors and you can run a bigger size for cheaper.
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ok i will look into the tractor joints. i have looked at them a few times at tractor supply. i looked ont he tractor this weekend and though why will they work on our tractor for all the bullshit we drag around ont eh mowers and bac grades and all the tshit but not a little movement on a jeep.


and on the steel. im am thinking of useing stainless cuase my teacher gave me a bunch of it and its all free so thats my thoughts there.
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yea, why the stainless??? i dont get that?

as for the tractor joints...what a joke. have you ever gone into tractor supply and felt how much slop is in those shitty 3-point arms NEW? imagine mixing some mud and sand in there, then how much slop there would be?

I also reccomend a bushing on one end. www.rockogic4x4.com sells the metal xj-bushing type sleeves for $10.00 apiece, if i remember correctly. They're really heavy-duty, real easy to weld to the .25" wall D.O.M. - Good choice on tubing too..thats what i used. If i remembr correctly, I made my arms right around 34" long.

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isnt your xj for sale?
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ya the xj is for sale. im still going to continue to build it until i can sell it. it should have long arms for that much lift anyways. i an drive it fine but a lot of people cannt drive it. i can drive it 90mph when alot of people cantn drive it 35.so i will make the long arms and make it the way i want it until it sells
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