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Old November 17th, 2007, 05:02 PM   #1
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I'm planning on replacing the stock axles on my cj-7. Did jeep wagoneers ever come with a front axle with the diff on the passenger side? I don't really want to change my t-case (d300). The newer (disc brake) wagoneer axles all seem to have the diff on the left side. Am I looking for something that doesn't exist?
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yes late 70s
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Thanks! I'm planning on going junkyard scrounging monday
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yes late 70s

To clarify, you'll want to look for a '74-'79 Wagoneer or narrow-track Cherokee. Just remember that the bolt pattern is 6 x 5.5" (not the same as a CJ). If you're fine with the 6-bolt pattern, it's a good axle choice for a CJ.

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Old November 17th, 2007, 09:24 PM   #5
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I know it would be difficult to find but a rear 44 out of a commando is a direct bolt into a 7 if I am not mistaken. scout II 44's would work too if you don't mind a little work rotating the inner knuckle for a nice caster and would be 5 on 5.5. if you can't use the waggy pitman arm I would redrill the outer knuckles to get a tighter turning radius.
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dana 30 knuckes?
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Old November 19th, 2007, 10:43 AM   #7
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To clarify, you'll want to look for a '74-'79 Wagoneer or narrow-track Cherokee. Just remember that the bolt pattern is 6 x 5.5" (not the same as a CJ). If you're fine with the 6-bolt pattern, it's a good axle choice for a CJ.

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Thanks! I don't mind the bolt pattern, I need new wheels anyway.
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Old November 19th, 2007, 10:56 AM   #8
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I know it would be difficult to find but a rear 44 out of a commando is a direct bolt into a 7 if I am not mistaken. scout II 44's would work too if you don't mind a little work rotating the inner knuckle for a nice caster and would be 5 on 5.5. if you can't use the waggy pitman arm I would redrill the outer knuckles to get a tighter turning radius.
The junkyard near me doesn't have any scouts or commandos...but I'm pretty sure theyhave 2 or 3 wagonneers...
I was planning on getting the wagoneer tie rod & drag link, do I need the pitman arm too? and will the pitman arm fit my cj gearbox? I figured I'd shorten the wagoneer drag link if necessary and ream out the cj pitman arm if the waggy drag link end is bigger.
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If you don't want to bother diging through the junkyard, I have the axles you're looking for. I have them both complete and disassembled and I have a lower-cost option for the rear which is stronger than a D44.

Personally, I might also consider the axles listed here, since they are already regeared enough to handle bigger tires with V8 power, have a front locker, have 1-pc shafts, and will bolt right in:

http://www.greatlakes4x4.com/showthread.php?t=67489
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If you don't want to bother diging through the junkyard, I have the axles you're looking for. I have them both complete and disassembled and I have a lower-cost option for the rear which is stronger than a D44.

Personally, I might also consider the axles listed here, since they are already regeared enough to handle bigger tires with V8 power, have a front locker, have 1-pc shafts, and will bolt right in:

http://www.greatlakes4x4.com/showthread.php?t=67489
Well, I went to the junkyard today, found a set of dana 44's out of a 78 wagoneer for $250...Great price but they are 3.54 open diff and need new pads & rotors in front and calipers are missing.

So if you've got something in better shape, I'd be interested. I'm hoping for 4.10 gears and the front diff has to be on the passenger side. I don't mind it being disassembled as long as all the parts are there.

As for the axles that bbaXJ is selling, the only problem with those is the cj amc 20 axle tubes bend easily (I bent mine that's why I'm looking to upgrade)

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Well, I went to the junkyard today, found a set of dana 44's out of a 78 wagoneer for $250...Great price but they are 3.55 open diff and need new pads & rotors in front and calipers are missing.
I'll bet the rear is an offset axle, though. Most '70s Waggies were Quadratrac. Did you verify that the rear was centered or not?

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Well, I went to the junkyard today, found a set of dana 44's out of a 78 wagoneer for $250...Great price but they are 3.55 open diff and need new pads & rotors in front and calipers are missing.

So if you've got something in better shape, I'd be interested. I'm hoping for 4.10 gears and the front diff has to be on the passenger side. I don't mind it being disassembled as long as all the parts are there.

As for the axles that bbaXJ is selling, the only problem with those is the cj amc 20 axle tubes bend easily (I bent mine that's why I'm looking to upgrade)
It costs less than like $50 to weld a simple truss on the axle to prevent that from ever happening again. PM 03Hemisilver and ask him for a picture of the one I had put on the axle I sold him. People make a big deal about that, but its easily correctable.

BbaXj lives like 3 miles from me. If you decide to look into his axles, I can set you up with the welder that I had do the other one. He's in the next town over from us.

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I'll bet the rear is an offset axle, though. Most '70s Waggies were Quadratrac. Did you verify that the rear was centered or not?
Craig is right. You need to watch out for that. Centered D44's are hard to find. The other option is the FSJ C20, which doesn't have the tube problem you mentioned earlier.
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If anyone wants a pic of the truss, let me know, I'll try to get one in my profile this weekend anyway.
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Old November 20th, 2007, 11:07 AM   #14
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I'll bet the rear is an offset axle, though. Most '70s Waggies were Quadratrac. Did you verify that the rear was centered or not?

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I didn't measure it, but it looked centered...how far would it be offset?
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Old November 20th, 2007, 11:10 AM   #15
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If anyone wants a pic of the truss, let me know, I'll try to get one in my profile this weekend anyway.
I'd like to see a picture of that if it's not too much trouble
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I didn't measure it, but it looked centered...how far would it be offset?
Noticeably. G-o-o-g-l-e is your friend (also ifsja.org).

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Old November 20th, 2007, 12:10 PM   #17
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Noticeably. G-o-o-g-l-e is your friend (also ifsja.org).
The information I have been able to find online puts the quadratrac rear axles at 5-6" offset from center. I'm pretty sure I would have noticed this but I will definitely measure before I put any money on these axles. Thanks!
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A couple more pic's in my gallery of the truss
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cool, thanks for the pics. I should be able to make something like that.
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