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Old October 7th, 2016, 12:23 PM   #1
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I blame/thank Craig for drawing my attention to this FC he had. From there the ball was rolling. This is progress over the last 2 years up to current status.

It all started with this:












It has what I think is an old chevy car dash grafted into it. (I plan to keep the cool sweeping speedo and the rest if I can)








Off with the cab:








The original plan was a simple replace the seized up 6 cylinder with a sbc.
Thanks to novaks kind cooperation in liberating me from a decent amount of $$$$. I progressed to this:

A craigslist 1969 307 chevy small block (updated with 1.95 marine heads and a summit cam :) ) bolted up to the original (rebuild by me) t-90 and dana 18.






Then I was determined the original bed was beyond saving and wanted a flat be anyway. Thus I traded with my uncle for a Minneapolis Moline hydraulic dump assembly off a hay wagon, fits perfect. Then weld up a 69 inch wide (cab width) x 9 ft bed out of c channel:

never mind the trailer ramps on top (later pictures):

















A better rear hitch was needed as well:



Then on I went to box in the front half of the frame and go about setting the v8 in and creating some motor mounts:

after removing some hacked on "plating"

















I have to get my old warn mounted up inside the front frame as well (its old I know but I hate plastic):








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Old October 7th, 2016, 12:35 PM   #2
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Pictures no workie
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on with the build:


Engine mounts burned into place, I based the position on bolting the t-case back to its factory cross member:












Pulled the engine, trans and t-case out so the rest could go off to be sand blasted:





Back from blasting, everything got a coat of epoxy primer at the blaster:




Now I make 2 gallons of rustoleum primer and 2 gallons of gloss black disappear :







The engine and trans got their own scrub down and multiple coats of high temp black:




Together again and looking good:




Added the wood to the bed:






Cab on for the first time with the engine, small amounts of trimming required:











The beginings of my bumper 10 inch c-channel (it will be made to follow the body curve) :






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And then I got to thinking:




But before I could continue I had a change of shops. Well sold the old house and moved to a much larger nicer house and shop.

Thus the trusty xj was put to work.



Safe in the new shop:



Insert the 2004 2500 hd rear axle and dana 60 dually front (i'll turn down the hubs later on my lathe):
This was chosen for updated disk brakes front and rear along with a 4.10 for a more streetable ratio.












Ordered some beefy spring perches from ruff stuff and a new hypertherm 30 air plasma cutter to speed up the process:










The bed raised and axles set in place (not welded yet though):





Bed down:



Track width with dually hubs and 14 bolt rear ( I need to turn those things down ):






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Then I got to reading horror stories of the t-90 self destructing behind a small block and the t-18 being exceptionally loud on the road.

So I picked up a th-350 with a np205 and set those up to the engine.

old t-90 dana 18:


th350 np 205 were a much needed up sizing.

The remote hydroboost and hydraulic pump for the bed should end up some where near here:



Flexing poser shot (not really I was just working on shock lengths):






Then I decided I wanted a longer front drive shaft to try and have the same length front and rear. Well the short version is I had to cut the engine mounts and move it 6.5 inches forward and gained a 33 inch rear and a 31.5 inch front drive shafts. Oh yeah swaping the np 205 for a North west fab 203 205 doubler helped. I also now have a good 10 inches between the back of the engine and the cab for my radiator, fans, trans cooler, and a/c condenser.




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Nice work, Keep us updated on progress.
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It will have power steering with this right angle gear box and a reverse rotation power steering box out of a chevy LLV vehicle (the little postal trucks). Also the y-link 1 ton kit from ruff stuff is in route . I have plans



My new 24 circuit all black harness from ez wire: (Mercedes semi harness next to it on my desk at work 24 circuits should be a piece of cake )


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In for updates, banter, and general entertainment value! Great to see the progress, and the new build thread, Dave.
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Thanks, I am just trying to cover all the practical and useable up grades as I go.

The goal is an all around truck I can drive to work if I want or take a camping road trip. But also be able to be mounded with firewood or tow a decent size trailer. Then the odd two tracks and trails.

All this in a 103.5 inch wheel base and a 9 ft dump bed.

Anything I have over looked , or ideas I just don't know about?

Trying to get everything planed so I am not doing body work twice .

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Alright steering progress, stay with simple crossover steering. I might have one of the tie rod ends in the wrong spot looking at the pictures (long rod end should go up to pitman arm). It is ruff stuffs 1 ton kit.

Also might need a bit of a bend to clear the leaf spring with the drag link?












The reverse rotation ram charger box and wagoner pitman arm show up tomorrow and hopefully I can finish getting the steering mocked up. Good bye manual steering and bell/ cranks set up, hello sweet simple power steering.

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That escalated quickly lol
Seems like a cool build
What is the tire size goal?
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I have been working on it for almost two years.

Then end tire goal is just 33x12.5r16.5 like is on it now or a 305/70r16 load E for a more available tire size.

Got the tie rod ends switch to the proper locations (gotta love late nights brain farts)



Cross member all tacked together and holding the weight nicely:
Still working on the third(rear) mount and the 205's side torque mount.







A question for the more knowledgeable folks:

I am looking at ordering new front and rear drive shafts. I don't think that I will need cv's on either as the angles aren't very steep.
The front shaft is 33.5" (1310 to 1310) long and the rear is 31.5" (1310 to 1410) long.
What diameter tube should I have them made from? ( I was looking at 2"x.120)

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I need some advice on drive shafts and the 205 side mount.
Anyone have experience with either part?
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The power steering is coming together:

-90 degree same rotation gear box
-reverse rotation 1976 dodge ramcharger box
-wagoner pitman arm

The plan it to mount it all on the inside of the frame and tie it into my ruff stuff cross over y-link steering set up.







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The cooling fun showed up finally as well.
Now I just need time to start assembling all the goodies.






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Well I miss judged the room and had to put the pitman arm facing forward instead of to the rear. Still need room for my 90 degree gear box ahead of the steering box on the frame.

Thus I had to order up a standard rotation steering box (lares 1704) in stead of my reverse rotation for the same 1976 ramcharger. All should be well again once the new box shows up.
I also need to create a new front cross member as the factor tube one was in the way of the steering system. Oh well it needed to be changed any way to mount the winch to.






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Try this again with the new box that has correct rotation.

Its looking good.





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Rolled it out of the barn since the weather was nice and cleaned out the work area.
Nice to see it from more than 3 feet away.



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Looking great, Dave.
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Progress on the steering:

I managed to get the spacing and height correct for the pitman arm to clear the leaf springs on the drivers side. The drag link barely touches the passenger leaf at full lock with the suspension flexed, I am calling that good. It only took three different versions of mounts to get there.










I think the angles turned out decent on the steering parts. I hope the more experienced guys can weigh in on this.





Progress:

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