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Old November 8th, 2007, 01:48 PM   #1
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Historically, the UAW has supported the democratic party. Have you or do you vote democrat because of the union's will, or do you make your own choices?

I'm very curious to see if the union would back Hillary Clinton based on her opinion of increasing CAFE to 55 mpg by 2030 (Here).

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Hillary's plan is not all sticks and includes some very large carrots: $20 billion of "Green Vehicle Bonds" to help U.S. automakers "retool" their plants so vehicles will hit 55 MPG.
The plants are not the obstacle to producing higher fuel efficiency cars.
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Old November 8th, 2007, 01:52 PM   #2
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I am a UAW member, not in the auto industry though. I haven't liked a dem candidate in a while, and this next election isn't much different. I never vote by party, I vote each candidate on thier policies. I still think Perot would have been a good President.
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Old November 8th, 2007, 01:54 PM   #3
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I've always made up my own mind, reguardless of who the union thinks we should vote for.
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Old November 10th, 2007, 02:33 PM   #4
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The Union irritates me (i am a UAW member). Just before the city elections they passed out literature on who to vote for in each city.

I vote for whoever the hell I want. sometimes Republican (but sure as hell not G.W.) and sometimes Democrat.
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Old November 10th, 2007, 04:22 PM   #5
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I am UAW as well. Not in the auto industry at all though (we make "material handling systems" commonly known as conveyors. I vote for who I think will do the best job which is usually Republican. The propaganda that the union sends me never makes in the house. BTM
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Old November 12th, 2007, 07:09 AM   #6
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This is encouraging - I was always worried that Union members voted for whomever their party backed.

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This is encouraging - I was always worried that Union members voted for whomever their party backed.


My guess is that the UAW people who do blindly vote how they are told to vote, probably aren't too proud of their behavior and won't post up about being sheep.
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Old November 12th, 2007, 02:29 PM   #8
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I'm a union member (not UAW), I have voted Dem and I've voted 3rd Party, but I have found a Rep that seems to be the only canidate from either party that makes any sense at all.

www.ronpaul2008.com
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Old November 12th, 2007, 04:39 PM   #9
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I find it interesting that the UAW WILL endorse Hillary next year, even after she's come out against the domestic auto industry. Big labor (meaning the leadership) are such sheep when it comes to currying the favor of the party.

Here are some (pretty dated) excerpts from an incisive 2004 article on the irrational relationship between labor and .

In the past decade, the AFL-CIO has lobbied Congress on three major issues of any importance to union members:

(1) Oppose the North American Free Trade Agreement;

(2) Oppose permanent normal trade relations with China;

(3) Support drilling for oil in Alaska's Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.

The unions lost every vote. Demonstrating his savvy political skills, the head of the AFL-CIO, John Sweeney, repeatedly throws the federation's support to political candidates who opposed labor on all three issues...

...The only two Democratic presidential candidates to vote with the unions on any of these issues — not all, but any — were Representatives Dick Gephardt and Dennis Kucinich...

...Strictly following his strategy of selling union votes for nothing, the AFL-CIO has endorsed Sen. John Kerry — who voted for NAFTA, voted for trade with China and voted against drilling for oil in Alaska. Skilled laborers will have to wait another day for "fair trade" and high-paying jobs in Alaska, but at least Sweeney's candidate supports the issues that really matter to the average blue-collar worker: gay marriage, global warming treaties and hybrid cars...

...Sen. John Edwards calls protection of U.S. jobs "a moral issue." Reminding audiences that he is the son of a mill worker almost as often as Kerry mentions that he served in Vietnam, Edwards says that "when we talk about trade, we are talking about values." As the son of a mill worker, he has seen with his "own eyes" what bad trade agreements "do to people." Of the evil trade agreements (supported by AFL-CIO's candidate) Edwards says: "Those trade deals were wrong. They cost us too many jobs and lowered our standards."

Except — like Kerry — Edwards also voted for those trade agreements every chance he got. In 2000, Edwards voted for trade with China. Having seen with his "own eyes" what happens "when the mill shuts down," Edwards voted to shut down a few more mills. Edwards also voted his conscience to oppose drilling in Alaska.

That's an interesting moral calculus. Edwards didn't mind forcing American workers to compete with a billion Chinese — famously including child workers and slave laborers. But trade with Canada and Mexico he says would have offended his delicate moral sensibilities...


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http://my.barackobama.com/page/commu...p/ObamaHQ/CxgM

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I'm a union member (not UAW), I have voted Dem and I've voted 3rd Party, but I have found a Rep that seems to be the only canidate from either party that makes any sense at all.

www.ronpaul2008.com
Another for Ron Paul.... Awesome
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Historically, the UAW has supported the democratic party. Have you or do you vote democrat because of the union's will, or do you make your own choices?

I'm very curious to see if the union would back Hillary Clinton based on her opinion of increasing CAFE to 55 mpg by 2030 (Here).



The plants are not the obstacle to producing higher fuel efficiency cars.
It's plan and simple the DEMOCRATS are to blame for Michigans condition
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Old December 3rd, 2007, 08:33 AM   #14
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It's plan and simple the DEMOCRATS are to blame for Michigans condition
I somewhat agree, Engler did a pretty good job running us into the ground before The Mole took office. She got blindsided by the auto industry failing and the mortgage debauchle and she has no idea how to cope with, nor any skillset to deal with this situation.

I think DeVos would have been better just because he has some business savvy. Jennifer does know how to compete in beauty pageants though, so I guess it's even.

Stupid Granhold voters. :banghead:
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DeVos would have done the job he's a business man.
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DeVos would have done the job he's a business man.
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Old December 6th, 2007, 03:17 PM   #17
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I'm a UAW member and I vote for who I feel is best for the job. One Republican I can't stand it Rudy G. This ass is still riding the wave of 9-11 and isn't qualified to even think about running for President. I think Bush is probably smarter than this guy. Have you ever really listened to Obama talk? If you close your eyes you would think it's the Rock talking from the WWE. I'm just waiting for him to say "Do smell what the Rock is cooking" I really don't like anybody running but I can't vote 3rd party because that is really like wasting a vote, even though they would probably do a better job then the Dems or Rep. I'll probably vote for Clinton just because I liked Bill and you can't deny that when he was in office we all made some good money! I made 6 figures 3 years in a row when he was in office and now I call Marvin so much I might have to increase my minutes so I'm not charged an overage on my cell phone bill.
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I'll probably vote for Clinton just because I liked Bill and you can't deny that when he was in office we all made some good money! I made 6 figures 3 years in a row when he was in office and now I call Marvin so much I might have to increase my minutes so I'm not charged an overage on my cell phone bill.
OK, let's review.

The only thing Clinton did for the economy was to have the good sense to leave it alone. Thank Ronald Reagan and that whole "trickle down" thing - it worked. The economy's in a down cycle now, and probably will be for a while yet - so the President after this one will be able to take credit for that inevitable economic cycle. btw, Hillary's platform is full of expensive ideas that will raise taxes, and slow the economic recovery.

But, bear in mind that the President (or Governor) has precious little power to influence the economy in the near term (Reagan was out of office years before his economic contributions really hit their stride). Trust me, if they could, we'd NEVER have a recession. It's bigger and more complex than that.
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OK, let's review.

The only thing Clinton did for the economy was to have the good sense to leave it alone. Thank Ronald Reagan and that whole "trickle down" thing - it worked. The economy's in a down cycle now, and probably will be for a while yet - so the President after this one will be able to take credit for that inevitable economic cycle. btw, Hillary's platform is full of expensive ideas that will raise taxes, and slow the economic recovery.

But, bear in mind that the President (or Governor) has precious little power to influence the economy in the near term (Reagan was out of office years before his economic contributions really hit their stride). Trust me, if they could, we'd NEVER have a recession. It's bigger and more complex than that.
but but but Granholm = teh bad...
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I'm a UAW member and I vote for who I feel is best for the job. One Republican I can't stand it Rudy G. This ass is still riding the wave of 9-11 and isn't qualified to even think about running for President. I think Bush is probably smarter than this guy. Have you ever really listened to Obama talk? If you close your eyes you would think it's the Rock talking from the WWE. I'm just waiting for him to say "Do smell what the Rock is cooking" I really don't like anybody running but I can't vote 3rd party because that is really like wasting a vote, even though they would probably do a better job then the Dems or Rep. I'll probably vote for Clinton just because I liked Bill and you can't deny that when he was in office we all made some good money! I made 6 figures 3 years in a row when he was in office and now I call Marvin so much I might have to increase my minutes so I'm not charged an overage on my cell phone bill.
You're only reinforcing my belief that most Americans aren't qualified to vote.

You say Rudy isn't qualified to run, so let me ask you, what qualifies Hillary?


Please do us all a favor, don't vote.
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